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My Talk at Microsoft

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Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by simion314 »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #49
simion314 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes. If you want to have a discussion about freedom then let's do it in a rigorous way, go read the GNU page, read about the 4 freedoms then get back and explain your point more clearly. His point is that proprietary software is bad and you should now write it and not use it, I agree with him and I still run some proprietary blobs, I do not feel…

> He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes. Until just last week, when he was fired for using a technology forum to defend a 74 year old man having sex with a 17 year old prostitute on pedo island , he was the face of an organization that he used specifically to force views like "every website should work without JavaScript". It's ok to want websites to work without JS. The proper…

We were talking about software and philosophy, if you attack the person and not the ideas I think you are lacking arguments.

About what he said, I did not see him saying rape is Ok,

Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never find a job.

Your friends that would try to say that maybe we should get all the facts get also fired because "he is a child porn apologist".

Just think about it, in fact I don't wish this to happen to anybody, I read about a case where a guy was accused and he was innocent, he lost his job and was forcefully separated from his children, my point is go easy with the accusations you won't like it to happen to you.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by dash2 »

jdm2212 wrote: post #57
dash2 wrote: post #53

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“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

Most unreasonable people are useless though. There's only a small subset who drive progress.

Sure, but arguably he was one. I don't know whether that has been true for a long time, and I am not personally a believer in Free Software writ large.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by wazoox »

jdm2212 wrote: post #57
dash2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

Most unreasonable people are useless though. There's only a small subset who drive progress.

And RMS much definitely is part of this smaller subset.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by bbq123r »

simion314 wrote: post #48
Smithalicious wrote: post #23

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I take issue with the "promote ... the best use of copyleft (GPL version 3-or-later)" here. The GPL is a controversial license by itself, though it's the de facto copyleft license and reasonable to promote it, but the GPLv3-vs-GPLv2 debate is alive and well and I don't want GitHub to "promote" either of them as "the best".

Were you ever affected by the GPL3 vs GPL2 license? I am just wondering who is affected(not everybody makes kernels and drivers)

Yes my large tech company has a blanket ban on us using GPLv3 (it's possible to get some exceptions but a pain in the arse), but no problem with GPLv2

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

enz wrote: post #69

>Release the source code of Windows under the GNU GPL. >I know that is a stretch, but from what I heard there. it isn't totally impossible. Really? Does anyone have more info about that?

Depends on who you ask - if the NT kernel were to be made open-source it wouldn't impact Microsoft's sales of Windows because the kernel is useles without the userland - and the real value of Windows derives from the userland Win32 API.

If they mean the entire OS - kernel, userland, shell, the bundled programs that come with it - no, that won't happen, not least because Microsoft doesn't own the rights to all of that code: any third-party licensor could put a stop to that overnight.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

Iv wrote: post #21

> Implement an anonymous internet sales platform that doesn't require Javascript, using GNU Taler (taler.net). That seems like a potentially super important project yet it does not have a wikipedia page. That's abnormal! It was even discussed here in 2017! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15274110

I would've preferred he phrase it something like "using something like GNU Taler," so that it doesn't look like he's shilling for his own product.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by celticmusic »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #16

> I resisted Steve Jobs's snow job in 1989 or 1990; I am no easy mark for those who want me to change my views. Why do people still prop this insufferable person up? Interacting with everyone like an angsty teen is no way for anyone who considers themself a professional to publicly talk. IMO FOSS is where it is today more despite Stallman than because of him. Being an asshole isn't necessarily a sign of being a savan…

This just seems like a strange thing to take issue with, and I suspect it has more to do with your general dislike of him than any problems with the way he's chosen to communicate himself.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by raxxorrax »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #16

> I resisted Steve Jobs's snow job in 1989 or 1990; I am no easy mark for those who want me to change my views. Why do people still prop this insufferable person up? Interacting with everyone like an angsty teen is no way for anyone who considers themself a professional to publicly talk. IMO FOSS is where it is today more despite Stallman than because of him. Being an asshole isn't necessarily a sign of being a savan…

> considers themself a professional to publicly talk.

Because he is genuinely a very smart person compared to most people decrying character flaws as something relevant to distance yourself from. In strict professional circles, this statement alone would have disqualified you already.

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by 5trokerac3 »

simion314 wrote: post #71
5trokerac3 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He is not forcing his views on you, don't like him don't read what he writes. Until just last week, when he was fired for using a technology forum to defend a 74 year old man having sex with a 17 year old prostitute on pedo island , he was the face of an organization that he used specifically to force views like "every website should work without JavaScript". It's ok to want websites to work without JS. The proper…

We were talking about software and philosophy, if you attack the person and not the ideas I think you are lacking arguments. About what he said, I did not see him saying rape is Ok, Anyway I would love to see your reaction if say you watch a porn video and later will surface that the actor was 17 years old, then all the press will say that you are watching child porn, you are assumed guilty and get fired and never fi…

1. I did attack his ideas as authoritarian. I'm also attacking him as the worst face of the FOSS movement, because if your messenger is shit people assume your movement is shit too.

2. Are you seriously comparing flying to a pedophile sex island to knowingly have sex with a minor to unknowingly watching the wrong vid on PornHub? Is this really the argument you want to post on HN?

Re: My Talk at Microsoft

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Post by CaoCao »

5trokerac3 wrote: post #61
dash2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.”

That phrase could be used to describe how every genocidal maniac in history viewed themselves. Most of the steady progress that has been made in this world has been due to the efforts of diplomatic individuals who cast a wide, friendly net for their supposed adversaries.

Yes like the French Revolution and the wide, friendly... democracy nets. Come on.
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