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Thomas Cook collapses, stranding 150k UK holidaymakers

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Guardian reports: > Dozens of charter planes have been brought in from as far afield as Malaysia to assist with the mass airlift. Getting a charter plane has been quite difficult since the 737MAX grounding. Any excess capacity has been soaked up. There have been lots of unusual chartering by airlines that don’t usually charter. Air Canada had been using some, and it’s exceptionally rare for them to not use AC-branded…

Yeah, this would have been absolute carnage just last month. At least there should be very few kids involved now.

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> Customers at a hotel in Tunisia reported being locked in by security guards as the hotel demanded extra money, fearing it would not be paid by Thomas Cook. This is quite bad behaviour from the hotel. Presumably their business relationship is with Thomas Cook, not the people on holidays? They went as far as grabbing people who jumped a wall in an attempt to get out! More details here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-4…

Don't hotels realise this is a reputation business? In the age of the Internet, no-one with access to TripAdvisor or Google will ever stay there again. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see the hotel change name in the next year, if they survive. But perhaps worse that that, a hotel behaving like this, and not being slapped down hard by the Tunisian authorities, will damage the entire Tunisian tourism industry, just as they were recovering from the 2015 hotel attack there.

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The gift card market just confuses me. Especially when it's people giving gifts to people (not corporate gifts), cash is something that has at least as much value as the gift card, is accept everywhere, isn't a liability on a balance sheet, and is easier to give.

Ideally a gift should show that you know the other person well enough to pick just the right thing for them. Money is the other extreme, it says "I really have no idea what kind of gift you'd like", so apparently you hardly know each other. Gift cards are at least a small step up, you show you think the other likes to travel.

Cash with a note saying "For you to enjoy in " then.

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In one of the articles it said one hotel wasn't letting guests leave without paying more money, as the hotel believed they weren't going to get paid. So in some extreme cases it's not just about getting flights back to the UK.

Hmm, I’d be careful with this sort of behavior. Not letting people leave is the definition of kidnapping and I can’t think of any jurisdiction that doesn’t look dimly upon it.

They just need to get the cops to come and arrest them for not paying. The cops can "kidnap" them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbVJU1CuM0Q

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I guess as they've gone bust I can tell this story now ... I used to consult for Thomas Cook about 15 years ago, and they were a basketcase of a company even back them, so this doesn't surprise me. I feel sorry for all the reps and workers out in the field and on the planes who will lose their jobs because of the profligacy of the Peterborough head office.

Two examples of stupidity stick with me. One was that at the time they outsourced their website to their main competitor. Which as you can imagine worked well because their competitor had no desire at all to fix the many problems with the website. TC didn't understand that the website was everything because they were at heart a high street travel agency.

The other was when I worked on managing their AdWords account, which was enormous (like 100K different keywords in thousands of groups). Some keywords would be bid at £10s of pounds. It is very easy to lose a lot of money on these keywords because there's a fine balance between the profit you make on each holiday (usually £100-ish), versus paying a large amount of money on each keyword and the number of sales you make at the end of the "sales tunnel". There was also a weekly industry survey which came out ranking the position of all the travel websites according to number of visitors (I forget the name of it). Senior managers at TC were fascinated by "being number one" on this survey every week, and so would instruct us to dial up the keyword bids on Friday night and run like this over the weekend. Google AdWords with high bids is very effective at bringing large numbers of low quality visitors to the website.

Each week they would indeed come number one on this survey (read only by other senior managers in the travel industry), while at the same time losing tens of thousands of pounds selling holidays for negative profit.

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> Customers at a hotel in Tunisia reported being locked in by security guards as the hotel demanded extra money, fearing it would not be paid by Thomas Cook. This is quite bad behaviour from the hotel. Presumably their business relationship is with Thomas Cook, not the people on holidays? They went as far as grabbing people who jumped a wall in an attempt to get out! More details here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-4…

The Guardian article mentions that hotels have to wait up to 3 months to be paid by the holiday company. I can see why the Tunisian hotel did what they did, but you are correct that their business relationship is with Thomas Cook, not the holidaymakers. Meanwhile, Thomas Cook holidaymakers were anxious that they might be evicted from their hotels or charged again for their holidays. Holiday companies do not normally…

I can't see why they did as they did. It should be prosecuted as kidnapping.

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That’s a very good point. Travelers have shifted over the years from an all-inclusive package booking process to a DIY piecemeal approach and it’s hard for package sellers to compete against the OTAs.

Except the 600,000 customers currently abroad

Indeed :) those folks have a problem.

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The big problem was its £1.4bn in debt, which really brought it down. Id be careful holding shares in companies with big debt if there's a coming downturn.

How's AT&T looking these days?

Netflix and WeWork are more pertinent examples tbh.
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