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Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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I pay 75$ CDN for 1Gbps with no cap in Toronto, and I used to think we had it bad in Canada.. "Fighting" with a local cable company (monopoly I assume?) to offer a 1Gpbs service in 2019 is depressing.

One more data point. Vilnius, Lithuania 1GBs for 19.90€ (22.00$) /month

https://www.telia.lt/privatiems/kur-veikia-internetas-ir-tv/...

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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After a long period of my life not having the fastest in speeds at home, I ended up going all in and telling Comcast "give me the fastest Internet you have". So I'm paying for 400Mbps. ...what do I need all this speed for? What could someone possibly do with 1 Gbps? It's not as though web pages will load faster, they have their own throttling. I don't think I need 400Mbps to stream 4k video. Torrents don't seem to ta…

To stream 4K contents you only need 20-30Mbps. But for any kind of big download (game updates, OS updates, etc), being able to finish in less than 5 minutes is fantastic.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

#73
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I live in EU. I pay 15 EUR per month for 1 Gbps.

The EU is a big(ish) and diverse place. We pay about twice that for 40Mbps VDSL and about 2.5x that for 50Mbps LTE. To be fair, we could get something slightly (~20%) cheaper as we've got a "business" deal to get static IP addresses on each connection. The fastest consumer package we could get at this location (cable) is 500Mbit/s down, 40Mbit/s up for €80/month. (Their business level contracts top out at 300/40 Mbps…

I live in zone 2, London and we just happened to be on the single street that only has 10mbps available.

One of the biggest renting blunders I ever had.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Nitpicking title: 'Town' vs. 'City', bugs me as a former CO resident. Ft. Collins is huge (~170k people compared to most CO towns which are 400-10k ppl). The title sort of leads you to believe it was a folksy, rural community effort. In reality Intel, AMD, Broadcom and a major State University are located there and that probably helped the effort substantially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Collins,_Colorado#Maj…

I looked into this, and Ft. Collins is a "Home Rule Municipality" under state law, meaning it can name itself either a town or city. It seems to have chosen to be a city, so you're right.

Around the world, it seems that there's one consistent criterion for something being a city: it must have self-rule and a certain amount of government structure. Some places (notably not the US) have population requirements, but those tend to be really low (100-1,000 people)[1].

I personally appreciate the headline saying "town" in a colloquial sense, because I don't think of 170,000 as "huge" and it's significant that it's not a large city doing this.

For context, Ft. Collins is not in the top 150 most populous US cities, and to even reach the top 50, it would have to more than double in size.

1. https://www.thoughtco.com/difference-between-a-city-and-a-to...

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

#75

Could someone please explain the background to someone not from the US? Why is competition so scarce in this field in the US? Is it just the cost of infrastructure over large distances, or is something else at play here?

Permits are required for burying conduit, and are limited. Sometimes the city owns the poles that run along streets, sometimes the incumbent telco provider does, and space on those poles is limited. Sometimes local governments will promise monopoly access to a provider in exchange for free services to the city and school districts.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

#76

After a long period of my life not having the fastest in speeds at home, I ended up going all in and telling Comcast "give me the fastest Internet you have". So I'm paying for 400Mbps. ...what do I need all this speed for? What could someone possibly do with 1 Gbps? It's not as though web pages will load faster, they have their own throttling. I don't think I need 400Mbps to stream 4k video. Torrents don't seem to ta…

It's the ability to do multiple heavy transfers at the same time, youtube videos loading instantly, game updates finishing within a minute, apps downloading in a few seconds, and never having your connection be the bottleneck to accessing a website.

It's even more important when multiple people are sharing the connection.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

#77
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speak/Write English on here please, so anybody can understand you. Thanks.

Is that actually a rule on here?

Nothing about English here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Or were you referring to the Internet as a whole?

Or perhaps the United States?

Or the planet?

'here' is a bit ambiguous...

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

#78
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So true! There is a giant federal agency, FCC, the primary purpose of which is to preserve telco monopoly. Few people realize this is FCC's purpose. As usual, it's informative to pay more attention to results than to marketing. Even supposed "reforms" (why would an agency functioning in accordance with its stated goals need reform?) like the 1996 law have primarily led to increased revenue for monopoly telcos.

Whenever you hear "deregulation", think "choosing winners". The form of "deregulation" we get from Ajit Pai's FCC selectively advantages the incumbent oligopoly of telcos, leaving in place the most grotesque market-distorting regulations and removing controls on vertical integration which allow for the expansion of telco power into other industries. Market failure can take myriad forms. The ISP situation in the US is…

The "deregulation" of 1996 had many examples of this. ILECs were allowed into long-distance phone service, which they used their monopoly LEC rents to dominate. UNE-P tricked CLEC/ISP investors into thinking they'd be allowed to compete, but since none of the requirements it imposed on ILECs were enforced, those investors ended up selling their equipment and customer bases to ATT/VZN for pennies on the dollar. The Daughters Bell were allowed to reconsolidate from only the most profitable territories, while money-losers like Hawaii and rural New England (e.g. Fairpoint) were unloaded to fools who weren't capable of serving them well. In every case, the monopolist won.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU is also smaller and dramatically denser than the US. Nationwide service in the US is categorically different than servicing a nation in Europe. The rollout costs are dramatically higher.

Why do services have to be nationwide? Sweden didn't get wired by nationwide services, there are tons of local fiber ISPs that only service one city. Case in point: The article . The US needs more of that. Do that in every town and you're sorted.

Part of this is the legacy of the federal government promising monopoly status to telcos in exchange for them bearing the cost of providing services in rural areas.

If the market had been allowed to work, and rural Americans did not get service until it was profitable we'd have a much different market in the US today.

Re: Colorado Town Offers 1 Gbps for $60 After Years of Battling Comcast

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After a long period of my life not having the fastest in speeds at home, I ended up going all in and telling Comcast "give me the fastest Internet you have". So I'm paying for 400Mbps. ...what do I need all this speed for? What could someone possibly do with 1 Gbps? It's not as though web pages will load faster, they have their own throttling. I don't think I need 400Mbps to stream 4k video. Torrents don't seem to ta…

Faster speeds help with downloads. Yeah you won't notice the difference when downloading a selfie, but when you buy Gears 5 on Steam and want to start playing, you will notice the difference between waiting ~1h45m @ 100Mbps / ~11m @ 1Gbps to get that 80GB game.
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