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Post by pndy »

oflannabhra wrote: post #17

I've been using the iOS 13 developer beta for a couple months, and I can confirm that within the first week, several apps from the big 4 requested permissions for things that should be absolutely unnecessary. iOS 13 has several great privacy-focused changes: - WiFi SSID is protected behind location permissions (ie, an app must request and be granted location permissions to be able to access the current SSID) - Blueto…

These changes sounds great but sadly my iPad Air gen1 won't get iOS 13/iPadOS 13; I really wish they would come up with such improvements earlier.

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Post by izacus »

Analemma_ wrote: post #67
leevlad wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This kind of comment indicates how effective the marketing/media kool-aid has been. Having paid very close attention to how both systems work (and having used both iOS and Android extensively in recent months), I don't think I'd necessarily declare either of these platforms a clear privacy champion.

On iOS, your adversaries are third-party app developers. On Android, your adversaries are third-party app developers and the OS vendor, whose entire business model is hoovering up your data. iOS is, in mathematical jargon, strictly better on that basis alone.

How exactly is in case of Android the OS vendor the adversary? Considering the fact it was Apple that lied about not streaming Siri conversations while giving them out to 3rd parties? With no ability to revoke consent or even choose?

Also Apple (as opposed to Google) is the one actively cooperating with Chinese government and giving them decryption keys for iCloud.

If you look beyond the marketing spiel it's kinda ridiculous marking one of those corporations to be more trustworthy than the other.

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Post by saagarjha »

izacus wrote: post #72
Analemma_ wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On iOS, your adversaries are third-party app developers. On Android, your adversaries are third-party app developers and the OS vendor, whose entire business model is hoovering up your data. iOS is, in mathematical jargon, strictly better on that basis alone.

How exactly is in case of Android the OS vendor the adversary? Considering the fact it was Apple that lied about not streaming Siri conversations while giving them out to 3rd parties? With no ability to revoke consent or even choose? Also Apple (as opposed to Google) is the one actively cooperating with Chinese government and giving them decryption keys for iCloud. If you look beyond the marketing spiel it's kinda ri…

> Considering the fact it was Apple that lied about not streaming Siri conversations while giving them out to 3rd parties?

Sorry, what?

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Post by WA »

oflannabhra wrote: post #17

I've been using the iOS 13 developer beta for a couple months, and I can confirm that within the first week, several apps from the big 4 requested permissions for things that should be absolutely unnecessary. iOS 13 has several great privacy-focused changes: - WiFi SSID is protected behind location permissions (ie, an app must request and be granted location permissions to be able to access the current SSID) - Blueto…

Great! Now, one more thing I’d like to have added: get rid of photo library access and separate this into several permissions:

- write access

- read access (all photos)

- read access (through a special iOS picker that acts as a middle man)

The longer people have their phones, the more photos they have. And with them a whole lot of meta data such as location etc.

I simply don’t trust most apps these days that they really don’t touch any of that data.

Of course, you can already "share" a photo with an app, but this doesn’t let you change a profile picture in Instagram for example.

The cynical person might say: why not stop using these apps in the first place? Because it’s difficult to say who is exploiting photo library access and who is not. Does VSCO do it? I’d think they have no interest, but it’s too much based on trust vs. something I can control.

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Post by saagarjha »

amaccuish wrote: post #55
rcruzeiro wrote: post #12

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Youtube and netflix likely do this to discover TVs that you can cast your video to

As far as I'm aware, AirPlay is handled at the OS level so the individual apps don't need permission for peer to peer AirPlay. And of course standard AirPlay is all mDNS for discovery. For ChromecastI believe it's either SSDP or mDNS, and I don't think they have a P2P casting option IIRC.

The Cast SDK uses Bluetooth so "guests" can cast to your Chromecast.

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Post by saagarjha »

joewee wrote: post #29

One thing I found find suspect in iOS 13 is Apple automatically enables collection of data of your usage of 3rd party apps. Any idea what this is for?

Doesn't it ask you during the setup process whether you'd like to share analytics and usage data?

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Post by izacus »

saagarjha wrote: post #74
izacus wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly is in case of Android the OS vendor the adversary? Considering the fact it was Apple that lied about not streaming Siri conversations while giving them out to 3rd parties? With no ability to revoke consent or even choose? Also Apple (as opposed to Google) is the one actively cooperating with Chinese government and giving them decryption keys for iCloud. If you look beyond the marketing spiel it's kinda ri…

> Considering the fact it was Apple that lied about not streaming Siri conversations while giving them out to 3rd parties? Sorry, what?

1.) Apple plasters a building sized "What happens on your iPhone, stays on your iPhone" ads to mock competition in CES: https://9to5mac.com/2019/01/05/apple-privacy-billboard-vegas... [January 5th]

2.) Apple admits it was giving Siri recordings to contractors with no ability to opt out of the functionality. This included false activations not meant for Siri. Seemingly what happened near iPhones did not stay on iPhones:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/23/20830120/apple-contractor... [August 29th]

3.) In 2016 Apple shifted their iCloud servers to China to abide Chinese limitations and give access to content on governmental request. It seems, again, what happens on iPhone does not stay on iPhones: https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-apple-chin...

But of course, this whole topic on HN shows that the money on marketing is well spent. Lesson for Google and Facebook: up the marketing spending to keep repeating how privacy concious they are. ;)

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Post by Daniel_sk »

motohagiography wrote: post #9

This article sold me in switching to iPhone. It's like everything about Facebook dating seems like a eugenic program to favour people with a naive and submissive tendency toward power and authorities. As a technology change, online dating has become a "radical monopoly (Illich)," in the sense that whether you use it or not, you are subject to it, the way a cyclist is subject to the car, and any algorithmic bias or si…

I have been an Android developer since Android 1.6 - I switched my personal phone to iPhone and no regrets, especially not after all the Google decisions (and banning of developer acounts), their data collection and changing everything in every release. They can't seem to focus on anything and there is no one single long term plan and roadmap, every Android team is doing something else.

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Post by cameronbrown »

hadrien01 wrote: post #52
TheCapn wrote: post #38

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What's funny is with Android 10 you get these prompts now too (can't say how comparative the two features are though). My biggest offender is Google's apps requesting location access in the background; Hangouts, Messenger, Phone, etc. all asking for access when I'm not using the app. Naturally I block them, but since they're all Google products I wonder how much that even matters.

Since Google Play Services is the location provider on most Android phones, Google already has everything. At least with newer Android versions Facebook is blocked from accessing your location...

AFAIK, if no apps are requesting location through Play Services/location is disabled then Google wouldn't get anything?
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