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Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by partialrecall »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #61
partialrecall wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The chess players are forgetting to eat. " This surprises me. I find that being hungry dulls my edge and makes me noticeably less clever. It's easy for me to forget to eat if I'm doing something mindless, but when I'm actively problem solving I find that I become more aware of my hunger (and other forms of general discomfort.)

Odd. I find the high from being hungry makes me output my best work. I feel sharper and energized.

One form of discomfort that sharpens me is the sensation of sleep deprivation kept at bay by caffeine. It has a dissociative effect that I find helps me concentrate. Reaching that state probably takes a toll on my body though.

Perhaps the effects of discomfort on concentration are malleable, not inherit traits of the individual. Maybe, with the right kind of expectations and mindset, I could make the sensation of hunger work for me instead of against me.

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Post by tvanantwerp »

achenatx wrote: post #25

I was 175 and have been trying to lose 5 pounds for 8 years. In the last 2 months Ive lost 10 pounds. I hit as high as 180 I started doing brazilian jiu jitsu about 7 hours/week. My body was sore for the first 1 month. I also did a low carb diet (moderate adherence) Keto generally reduces my hunger so I would skip dinner because the exercise would kill my appetite. I would then not be hungry until lunch the next day.…

After letting myself go a bit last year, I've been (with the exception of a vacation or two) strictly keto and time-restricted (at least 18:6) feeding daily. Currently 20 pounds down from my peak, and I got as far as 25 down before I spent two weeks in Europe mostly visiting biergartens. All that with not much exercise, though I'm starting to incorporate resistance training.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by Reedx »

partialrecall wrote: post #58
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

> "The chess players are forgetting to eat. " This surprises me. I find that being hungry dulls my edge and makes me noticeably less clever. It's easy for me to forget to eat if I'm doing something mindless, but when I'm actively problem solving I find that I become more aware of my hunger (and other forms of general discomfort.)

Interesting. For a lot of gamers and programmers it's the opposite. Intense focus and engagement often results in forgetting to eat and/or sleep. This is well known in the gaming community.

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Post by scarface74 »

papito wrote: post #64

After 30, one should seriously evaluate breakfast. Three meals per day becomes just too many calories to burn. Two meals for an adult is plenty. Coffee in the morning suppresses hunger, so one can go until 12-12:30 before getting woozy. At some point I noticed that I was force-feeding myself lunch if I ate breakfast. Hunger is a normal feeling - embrace it.

I’m really trying to get out of the breakfast habit. If I cut out breakfast just on the 4 days a week I don’t work out (as opposed to the three days that I workout around 2.5 hours a day) I could easily lose over a pound a month and get past my “I think I look decent in a short sleeve shirt” plateau to, a toned very low body fat weight.

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Post by geoka9 »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #61
partialrecall wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The chess players are forgetting to eat. " This surprises me. I find that being hungry dulls my edge and makes me noticeably less clever. It's easy for me to forget to eat if I'm doing something mindless, but when I'm actively problem solving I find that I become more aware of my hunger (and other forms of general discomfort.)

Odd. I find the high from being hungry makes me output my best work. I feel sharper and energized.

I suspect id depends on why (and how long) you're hungry.

If you're hungry from missing your regular meal, your blood sugar may drop and you feel lethargic.

If you're hungry from fasting, your liver may start producing ketones which our brains seem to like.

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by balfirevic »

defective wrote: post #56
balfirevic wrote: post #28

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Wait.. Where does the weight go? Apart from water - sweated and breathed out, which you say isn't all that's happening.

Most weight your body actually loses (as in not water) is lost as carbon in the CO2 you exhale.

Right, but that's just regular metabolism. In the context of this thread, parent poster claimed it wasn't all that's happening and it certainly won't account for 0.5 lbs of mass lost during the night (mentioned elsewhere in this thread).

Re: The grandmaster diet: How to lose weight while barely moving

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Post by scarface74 »

EGreg wrote: post #68
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

It is still just calories in and calories out. Some people naturally have a higher metabolism and a higher basal metabolic rate. It still doesn’t change the equation.

Yes, it’s a well known fact that if you eat too few calories, that your metabolism slows down - and you burn less calories. That doesn’t make anything that the original poster said scientifically valid.

I saw all sorts of crazy crap that people believed would help them lose weight and tone when I was a part time fitness instructor like excercises that would help them spot reduce (no such thing) to people who tried to come into my classes wearing those plastic bags because they thought it would help them lose weight. They reported me to management plenty of times for not allowing them to come to my class like that and I would budge.

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Post by AimForTheBushes »

geoka9 wrote: post #75
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd. I find the high from being hungry makes me output my best work. I feel sharper and energized.

I suspect id depends on why (and how long) you're hungry. If you're hungry from missing your regular meal, your blood sugar may drop and you feel lethargic. If you're hungry from fasting, your liver may start producing ketones which our brains seem to like.

I suspect it's your second point. I already maintain a low carb/ketogenic diet which would prevent me from having those crashes.

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Post by omginternets »

scarface74 wrote: post #51
RobertRoberts wrote: post #9

I did tests for weight loss. I found that you don't lose weight until you sleep. (stay up all night and weigh your self repeatedly, in the morning, no loss, but after you sleep and wake, your weight goes back to "morning weight") I found that if you don't sleep well, you don't lose as much. If you eat too late before going to bed, you don't lose as much. If you adjust your diet (however you want is my experience) to…

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

>Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics

I assume you're referring to the "energy in" vs "energy out" meme in weight-loss.

The body is not a closed system. While you _do_ have to balance your chemical equations for glucose catabolysis (or whatever), weight loss is far from a "simple physics" problem.

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Post by highace »

EGreg wrote: post #68
scarface74 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to be blunt. But this is as much pseudoscience as the anti vaxers. Losing weight and gaining weight is simple physics. There is also a big difference between losing weight based on water weight and losing real body mass. I sweat like a pig anytime I work out. I use to teach two hour fitness classes and even now after the end of a workout, I’ve “lost 5 pounds” but that’s pure water weight. I’m burning around 10…

I never understood this point of view. It’s like people who didn’t believe in washing hands until bacteria were discovered. Yes sure calories in calories out. But metabolism has so many variables. It can be revved up and burn a lot of calories. It can become quiescent when you are in starvation mode. What causes it to start using the fat reserves is definitely more than a univariate analysis. If there is a catalyst t…

This still boils down to calories in/out though. Metabolism goes under the 'out' column. It fluctuates, sure, but it's just as much an 'out' variable as exercise is.
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