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Re: Can I Email: ‘Can I Use’ for email

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Post by krapp »

Moru wrote: post #68
krapp wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Markdown is a lightweight syntax for writing and generating HTML, like BBCode. It's not an alternative syntax to HTML.

Markdown is designed to be readable without encoding it as HTML though, so is nicely readable on old email clients too.

Sure, but then it's just plain text, and plain text could be perfectly legible before Markdown came along.

The only tangible benefit Markdown provides is letting people write HTML who don't like the aesthetics of HTML tags.

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Post by AgloeDreams »

lozenge wrote: post #5

Isn't it time for desktop clients to embed a real rendering engine? The isolation on them has reached a good level.

Apple's mail clients use Webkit under it all, basically Safari, that's why the scores are so high. It's actually an interesting story, In the book `Creative Selection`, Webkit and Apple Mail were really Chicken and Egg-like, with the two being developed for each other with the HTML Editing logic in Mail being the basis of all text fields in iPhone.

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Post by grenoire »

ndidi wrote: post #46
grenoire wrote: post #9

Christ on a bike, the state of Outlook on Windows is absolutely miserable. I knew it by experience when I started preparing HTML signatures for our company, but seeing the list makes me even sadder about the absolute state of incompetency caused by legacy systems in Microsoft. For those uninformed, Outlook on Windows effectively works on a terrible (and terribly old) implementation of HTML that was initially develope…

Everything that discourages designers from doing fancy things is good in my book.

Microsoft's history has shown time after time that both internal conflict and external enterprise clients' requests lead to random developers adding bits and pieces of non-standard features. This applies not only to Outlook but their other products (incl. Windows). It is goddam' Wild West out there and they clearly give no crap about how the standards outside of their universe evolve.

Sorry Microsoft, but the PC world is not Windows-only anymore.

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Post by pintxo »

cygned wrote: post #54
ktpsns wrote: post #4

It would be really nice to have a small and simple markup language, say some markdown standard, to be the layouting language for E-Mails. No (external) images, just links, lists, headings, basic formatting. HTML E-Mails are a security nightmare, even if "only" CSS is "allowed" and JS/iframes/external images are not loaded.

No markdown, but we had success with this one: https://mjml.io/ Try out the online examples.

Thanks, looks like a great solution.

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Post by gotts »

shrumm wrote: post #39

I'm surprised to find no mention of MJML on this thread - it's more of a developer tool than a user facing one. You get to design your emails using a simplified markup language that resembles HTML, and it converts it into minified HTML that works pretty well on most email clients. Kudos to the guys behind it!

MJML is great.

I think that https://www.caniemail.com in many cases would be a timewaster. Because you spend your time exploring each individual CSS/HTML feature availability and later on realizing something can not be done in fully crossbrowser/cross-email-client way. Instead you could just accept the limitation of MJML and start coding the final version right away.

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Post by dbuder »

Lxr wrote: post #7

Why use HTML in emails though?

I think many people in this thread making their living by sending emails. imo it should be text only, no pictures and links should be treated like pariahs. It is a total nightmare and if you try and set your own mail server up gmail won't deliver your emails.

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Post by vinniejames »

ktpsns wrote: post #4

It would be really nice to have a small and simple markup language, say some markdown standard, to be the layouting language for E-Mails. No (external) images, just links, lists, headings, basic formatting. HTML E-Mails are a security nightmare, even if "only" CSS is "allowed" and JS/iframes/external images are not loaded.

Try Foundation https://foundation.zurb.com/emails.html

I've used it on several projects, it speeds things up quite a bit

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