As a basketball player, I'd gladly take any (any, really) critique from Kobe. I won't take any (any, really) shit from Joe Blow.
Prove to me you can do better than me. Then, we'll talk.
There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
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Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#72I'm actually surprise by how many people are defending the author of RTFHIG. As a designer I can tell you can most of the users of HN could end up on a site like that with their app (web or native). Those people that he's picking on could be developers who build those app for the love of programming and make some extra cash, and they may genuinely thinking those are good UIs.
Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think a screenshot is probably more than adequate if you're judging an application's visual appearance.
It's sufficient only if you conflate design and visual aesthetics . Since the blog in question hammers on apps that don't follow the Apple HIG, a document dedicated to the argument that good design is a lot more than visual aesthetics, this is an oddly contradictory position for him to attempt to occupy.
Yes, good design is more than visual aesthetics.
But you seem to be saying that the aesthetics are then not important, which is completely false.
If it looks terrible, it's a bad design. Period. At best, top-notch effort in other areas can drag it up to the same approximate level as pristine-looking-but-utterly-unusable designs, which are still terrible. His position would only be contradictory if he somehow claimed that something was a good design based solely on a screenshot.
Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's sufficient only if you conflate design and visual aesthetics . Since the blog in question hammers on apps that don't follow the Apple HIG, a document dedicated to the argument that good design is a lot more than visual aesthetics, this is an oddly contradictory position for him to attempt to occupy.
Have you even read the blog? The UIs in question are, for the most part, immediately recognizable as bad. It's not about artistic or aesthetic interpretation. It's about this is not how any sane or competent person would design UI.
There are a few that are fairly cluttered visually, but the vast majority are simply different, and I can't say, looking at them, whether or not they'd be any good in practice because I haven't used them, and I'm not so full of myself as to believe that I know everything about something based on a single picture of it.
For instance, there's nothing obviously wrong with the interface of the grammar app currently at the top of the blog, but he goes off on it like it shot his dog.
Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
The key difference is that http://www.whatthefuckshouldimakefordinner.com/ and the like aren't using vulgarity in the service of an attack on other people's hard work. And I tend to agree with the article's argument that a criticism of the design without using the design is pointless nerdrage.
Just because work is hard and it was done doesn't mean it's above criticism.
There's a difference between criticism and vulgar flaming. I have no problem with the former when presented constructively and with some knowledge of the subject, but the blog is engaging in the latter.
Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#76I think it's the principle of the thing. Criticism works when done right, that is when it's traditional criticism like we all learned in art class. "Your shading is inconsistent here, and the use of lilac is cliche."
Contrasting, this blog 37signals is going on about just smacks of the zeitgeist that is modern "criticism":
Nowadays, criticism is rarely substantiated. Instead, folk spout out inflammatory nonsense like "it's a flaming load of dog crap" rather than the much more helpful "a combo box was a bad choice here."
To the critics: make it constructively funny. If you're just going to badmouth me then put up or shut up you non-contributing zero.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
We do pillory film, literary and food critics who are caught basing their review on a publicity still of the work in question. It is not unreasonable to expect a critic to watch/read/eat/use the film/book/food/UI in question before calling its creator a "fucking hack".
I need not take a bit of a cow pie to tell you that it will taste like shit. I can tell from where I'm sitting.
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#78Don’t try to win over haters. You’re not the Jackass Whisperer. --Scott Stratten
Says the same guy who's frequently quoted as saying "you're doing it wrong!"
Re: There is no place for just shitting all over other people's work
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you even read the blog? The UIs in question are, for the most part, immediately recognizable as bad. It's not about artistic or aesthetic interpretation. It's about this is not how any sane or competent person would design UI.
There are a few that are fairly cluttered visually, but the vast majority are simply different , and I can't say, looking at them, whether or not they'd be any good in practice because I haven't used them , and I'm not so full of myself as to believe that I know everything about something based on a single picture of it. For instance, there's nothing obviously wrong with the interface of the grammar app currently at…
It's not a bad looking design, but it is a somewhat strange attempt to bring an iOS-specific UI element to a desktop application.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
We do pillory film, literary and food critics who are caught basing their review on a publicity still of the work in question. It is not unreasonable to expect a critic to watch/read/eat/use the film/book/food/UI in question before calling its creator a "fucking hack".
I need not take a bit of a cow pie to tell you that it will taste like shit. I can tell from where I'm sitting.
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