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The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Though this study is better it still doesn't really seem to distinguish cause and effect. ie is it

- your real social life sucks so you spend time on facebook, or

- facebook causes your life to suck?

From personal experience I find more the first one. You could try an experiment where you persuade participants to be chosen at random to either spend much longer on facebook or much less so the change would just be facebook usage rather than other life factors?

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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I'd pay $5/month for a private network that is just this. My data is mine, no ads, no tracking. Simple, close friends, no addiction triggers.

If your photos live on the service's servers, they are no longer yours. That's intrinsic to the nature of software as a service. I realize that makes me sound crazy, but after years of reflecting on software, privacy, data ownership, and decentralization, I have not been able to avoid the conclusion that Stallman was basically right. If your data lives in a cluster with a bunch of other people's, it's a tempting targ…

>If your photos live on the service's servers, they are no longer yours.

They very easily could be, if the service wanted to write it's contract of adhesion to allow the user meaningful control over the scope of how the service can use the photos.

But conventional wisdom believes there is less money in that route, and nobody in "tech" is willing to settle for less than maximum exploitation of assets.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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I find it strange that people consider HN to be social media. For me, social media is synonymous with manipulation engines designed to keep you engaged in order to sell advertising. HN isn’t selling advertising, it isn’t trying to addict you. Maybe ten years ago “social media” just meant “interacting with others online” but I think language has moved on. I don’t like placing HN in the same bracket, because it devalue…

I dunno, HN can still be very addictive if you don’t have much else going on to distract you. It’s not manipulating you at a micro level in the same way as Facebook properties, but the rules certainly lead to an addictive kind of discourse that probably feels much more valuable than it really is. It’s information junk food, maybe more like the conventional news than social media. It’s not obvious to me that it provides me more value than Instagram.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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I'd pay $5/month for a private network that is just this. My data is mine, no ads, no tracking. Simple, close friends, no addiction triggers.

I'm building that! After a decade in the adtech business, PhotoStructure is an act of penance to let your richest metadata source, your photos and videos, stay yours and yours alone. I'd love to have you try it out and hear your feedback. https://blog.photostructure.com/introducing-photostructure/ Disclaimer: I'm the founder.

Okay, it's interesting, but a few questions:

How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away?

How is this not just "dropbox, but only for photos"?

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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I have been working in this problem space for the past year or so developing a new kind of social media that I think has some merits. Take away the advertisement model, the public nature of discourse, and replace it with meaningful context-driven one-on-one conversation and I think we might have something. My platform can take any topic and disseminate a discussion to as many one-on-one conversations as people who ar…

For starters, you have a leaderboard. Any sort of number metric or gamification is enough to keep me off a platform. Edit: I just realized the irony of the above as I type this on Hacker News.

HN at least caps downvotes at -4. I also rarely get an upvote unless I put some thought into my comment. The points seem to be a good reflection of quality outside a handful of hot topics.

Compare this to Reddit where I often check the profile of someone who made an atrocious comment (in quality or content), and they have tens or hundreds of thousands of points. I rarely see that on HN.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Facebook is a city. It's full of zany characters, and beautiful art, and people crying for attention for their cause, and not much privacy. The longer I live in a city, the more of a jerk I find myself becoming, and if I stay too long, I feel bad. Lots of people say they've had enough and want to go live in a cabin in the woods. Few actually do. This is how society has worked for thousands of years. Where some people…

> Facebook is a city. It's full of zany characters, and beautiful art I'd say it's the last place one would (or should) look for "beautiful art"...

All the artists I know use it. That's the only reason I started using it. But then, I hang out with artists, and I work in the arts. Like any city, it's full of every subculture you can imagine. The city I know is not the same as the city you know.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Facebook is a city. It's full of zany characters, and beautiful art, and people crying for attention for their cause, and not much privacy. The longer I live in a city, the more of a jerk I find myself becoming, and if I stay too long, I feel bad. Lots of people say they've had enough and want to go live in a cabin in the woods. Few actually do. This is how society has worked for thousands of years. Where some people…

The problem with Facebook (and similar) isn't just that it's easy the problem is it's designed to be addictive in order to scrape data and sell adverts. It's a honey pot of whatever can be made by frighteningly dedicated amoral money driven software engineers and data scientists. The goal is to make a zero marginal cost product that uses your friends to make content and so entrap you spending time looking at adverts…

I think we're saying essentially the same thing, just with different words and from different perspectives.

Being easy is the very problem with addiction. It's not merely spending an excessive amount of time on some activity. People talk about being "addicted" to, say, running marathons, but nobody views that in the same way they do gambling or alcohol addiction.

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm building that! After a decade in the adtech business, PhotoStructure is an act of penance to let your richest metadata source, your photos and videos, stay yours and yours alone. I'd love to have you try it out and hear your feedback. https://blog.photostructure.com/introducing-photostructure/ Disclaimer: I'm the founder.

Okay, it's interesting, but a few questions: How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away? How is this not just "dropbox, but only for photos"?

> How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away?

It's software that you run, on your hardware. Currently there's a desktop installer for win/mac/linux (so people can try it out easily on their laptop or whatever), but I'm building a multiarch Docker image that runs on a droplet/ec2 micro/NAS/raspberry pi.

I run it for my family off of a rpi 4 sitting in an external 10tb USB drive, plugged into my router.

The external drive gets grabbed in case of fire/earthquake, but also gets backed up to backblaze for offsite backup.

> How is this not just "dropbox, but only for photos"?

Dropbox is a file synchronization service.

* You view your files by folder

* Files can only live in one folder

* There's no automatic organization of your files

PhotoStructure is designed to make browsing millions of photos and videos fun and easy, and effortless.

* Best-of-class metadata extraction and inference

* Automatic organization and tagging of your photos and videos based on that metadata

* Hierarchical tagging, with random "tastes" of what's in that tag (or child tags)

* Automatic, best-of-class "asset variation" merging (so when you have a RAW and JPEG version of an image, along with a Apple Photos resized preview, and a Google Photos takeout, they all are considered to be variants of the same asset).

* Cross-platform, cross-file-system support (so if you plug in an external hard drive and it automatically mounts to a different path, the files on that volume are considered equivalent).

* All viewed through a webapp and image delivery system that's built to be delightful and responsive even on low-powered servers and low-powered mobile devices

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Okay, it's interesting, but a few questions: How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away? How is this not just "dropbox, but only for photos"?

> How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away? It's software that you run, on your hardware . Currently there's a desktop installer for win/mac/linux (so people can try it out easily on their laptop or whatever), but I'm building a multiarch Docker image that runs on a droplet/ec2 micro/NAS/raspberry pi. I run it for my family off of a rpi 4 sitting in an external 10tb USB drive, plug…

I'm honestly not criticizing, I think I'm just missing something here. It seems like a good service in the interface offered, but where are the photos actually stored? Am I correctly interpreting this to mean that there's no cloud involved, everything runs off your own computer? Is anything accessible from another computer?

Re: The more you use Facebook, the worse you feel (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How do you manage the "forever" part with a cloud service that could go away? It's software that you run, on your hardware . Currently there's a desktop installer for win/mac/linux (so people can try it out easily on their laptop or whatever), but I'm building a multiarch Docker image that runs on a droplet/ec2 micro/NAS/raspberry pi. I run it for my family off of a rpi 4 sitting in an external 10tb USB drive, plug…

I'm honestly not criticizing, I think I'm just missing something here. It seems like a good service in the interface offered, but where are the photos actually stored? Am I correctly interpreting this to mean that there's no cloud involved, everything runs off your own computer? Is anything accessible from another computer?

No problem! It's not a traditional SaaS website, nor traditional desktop app, so I need to some practice with describing it so it's clear to people.

PhotoStructure runs on a computer you own, or in the cloud, on a computer you rent. That could be a laptop you have, or a home server, your NAS, or a digitalocean droplet.

Your photos need to be available to that computer when they are imported into your library, either by being on a local hard drive, or mounted from a network fileshare.

Once your photos and videos are imported, the library can be moved or copied to other computers (say, rsync'ed to your droplet). Original photos and videos aren't required.

The PhotoStructure interface is via html/css. It runs a web server that is only available to localhost by default, but there are tools (like localtunnel and trycloudflare) that lets you access your library from any device that has internet access. I'm still building out multi-user support, but a library "owner" has full r/w access, and a "visitor" may see predetermined album contents

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