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The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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Re: The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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If you replace "capitalism" with "competition for low prices" then I think the comment is a little less inflammatory while still making a similar point. The fact that a capitalistic system is what gives rise to macro economics that facilitate building planes like this doesn't mean it's perfect and can't be improved upon, say with regulation that doesn't outsource the checks to the company making the planes. Capitalis…

Can you point to safer commercial airplanes built by non-capitalist enterprises?

I could point to today's commercial airplanes which exist in a culture & regulatory framework, not pure free-market capitalism, that has consistently reduced the risks of commercial flying for decades.

Re: The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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I also remember something about Sioux City itself - the hospital was at shift change, so they were able to have just about 2x the normal amount of staff available.

They had enough advance warning and were able to start getting more fire/EMS resources heading that way as well.

Re: The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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post #31

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That plane crashed because of an unpredictable freak event. The Max planes crashed because of budgets and sidestepping a poorly run regulatory body. I’m sorry, but when capitalism starts crashing planes, I tend to forget about “advances we’ve made.”

> That plane crashed because of an unpredictable freak event. No, it crashed because of a predictable event that a number of engineers had already warned could happen, based on an obvious design flaw that was not fixed.

Ah, I see I've misremembered which flight disaster this was. Apologies.

Re: The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to safer commercial airplanes built by non-capitalist enterprises?

I could point to today's commercial airplanes which exist in a culture & regulatory framework, not pure free-market capitalism, that has consistently reduced the risks of commercial flying for decades.

I could point to a capitalist society where customers demand and expect safety and are part of the process that brings forth regulations. I'm sorry I didn't imply we live in a pure capitalist society.

Re: The Crash of United Flight 232 (2017)

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post #56

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Yes, especially in the US. I think the only crash of a large commercial airliner since 9/11 was AA 587. In the 80s/90s it seemed to happen once a year.

Asiana 214 was arguably a "crash of a large commercial airliners", though thankfully only 3 people died.

Yes, you're right. I was referring to crashes where 1) there were mass fatalities, and 2) the airline was US based.
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