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Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by cameldrv »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I don't know why people don't get spam calls in Germany, but it's not because of regulation. The U.S. has similiar regulation, and in fact individual consumers can sue telemarketers for $500-$1000 per call.

The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by jmiserez »

commoner wrote: post #46

Does anyone have a recommendation for a call filtering app that does not leak your contact list to the app developer or a third party? Open source is preferred, but any app with a solid privacy policy would do. It would be nice to see suggestions for both Android and iOS.

iOS call blockers using the built-in API don't have this issue, it's like the content blocking for Safari but for calls. You enable them under Settings->Phone->Call blocking. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15025709

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by taxidump »

I have several pbx systems running, and granted this is a newer concept. Maybe this will help residential calls, business calls on the other hand will most likely allow the consumer to still take the path of least resistance.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by dmix »

HugoHobling wrote: post #19

I know it's overkill, but this is my current setup for my phone numbers. I treat phone numbers the same way I do my email address: I use different numbers for different purposes. 1. I have a "clean" phone number I only share with friends/family. Certain prefixes and phone number actually receive next to zero spam calls. This number has received 2 calls in the years I've had it. 2. I have a phone number I share with c…

Which SIP client do you use? I'm having trouble finding a good voip client. The telecom world is full of bad software with 1990s designs.

Endless confusing configuration forms with vague repetitive labels.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by perlgeek »

cameldrv wrote: post #71
blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I don't know why people don't get spam calls in Germany, but it's not because of regulation. The U.S. has similiar regulation, and in fact individual consumers can sue telemarketers for $500-$1000 per call. The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

> The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

The problem is that the US telco providers let them disguise their identity.

In Germany, there are anonymous calls, and calls where you see the caller's numbers. I've never once been called by a spoofed number.

So, it's possible to prevent that, given the political will, and the necessary investments in infrastructure.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by cookie_monsta »

spbaar wrote: post #18
ufmace wrote: post #7

Well that's cool I guess. But: 1. How are they partnering with all of the device companies to get this on at least most phones? That'd be interesting to know. 2. I guess somebody has to type that intro text. As long as they're doing that, why bother with a normal call? How about just sending the text instead. Or send a text and let me call back for more details when it suits me, either right away or in 10 minutes. It…

1. I'm really not sure yet. They haven't given any details publicly or privately. I'm most curious to see how this will be supported on iOS. 2. The demo on the keynote gave a great use case where a school nurse called the speaker about their child, and she was very lucky to pick up and not let it go to voicemail. There are still a lot of use cases for calls to hammer out important details, even if they are becoming r…

> a great use case where a school nurse called the speaker about their child, and she was very lucky to pick up and not let it go to voicemail.

a) if you're a sloppy enough parent that you don't even have your kids' school phone number saved as a contact, I suspect you're accustomed to relying on luck.

b) "Use our service or your children might die" is fairly over the top marketing, even for marketers.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by cryptozeus »

perlgeek wrote: post #75
cameldrv wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why people don't get spam calls in Germany, but it's not because of regulation. The U.S. has similiar regulation, and in fact individual consumers can sue telemarketers for $500-$1000 per call. The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement.

> The problem is that the callers disguise their identity and in most cases are overseas beyond the reach of U.S. law enforcement. The problem is that the US telco providers let them disguise their identity. In Germany, there are anonymous calls, and calls where you see the caller's numbers. I've never once been called by a spoofed number. So, it's possible to prevent that, given the political will, and the necessary…

I get the same caller id now for spam calls through at&t in usa.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by cryptozeus »

I can see few cases when I have not picked up calls but with this kind of verification I would pick up if they ID correctly. Calls coming from 1: hospital 2: library 3: my cable or phone company 4: my car or insurance company etc.

I don’t have their corp numbers saved and if we can see who is calling then it could be helpful.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by nemesisj »

blackbrokkoli wrote: post #68

FFS USA, not every problem is a problem to solve by "the free market". You can see the America-Is-Great Mindset in a lot of these comments: Even the US has a problem with robocalls, so that must mean it's an unsolved problem obviously. So we have to solve it with our superior technology!! Just no. Almost nobody else in the western world has this problem. How? Regulation. In Germany, if you get reported for unsolicite…

I have lived in the U.K. for more than 8 years. I receive spam calls daily from a combination of London and blocked numbers. Everyone I know here also receives them frequently. I’m on the U.K. do not call list. It’s endless PPI, “your recent accident”, and just normal phishing attempts. When I’m in the Middle East it’s endless spam texts. I guess Germany has it figured out but by no means is this an American only problem, or a solved problem in the Western world.

Re: Verified by Twilio

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Post by SaturateDK »

rohansingh wrote: post #13
gregmac wrote: post #10

I was just reviewing my call detail records on my "home" number yesterday, and realizing that the vast majority are spam - we pretty much don't answer that phone. This got me thinking about alternatives to even ringing for any unrecognised numbers, such as an IVR menu that said something like "Hi, we're screening spam, press 4 2 if you're a real person". I'm not sure how that'd be accepted by, for example, the dentis…

I enabled call screening with Google Voice, where callers who are not in my contacts are asked to say their name before they are connected. It completely weeds out robocalls, and no actual humans seem to have an issue with it. On the contrary, everyone sees why it's necessary.

I would love to try something like this, but living in the EU I can't use Google Voice.
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