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Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by radus »

Counter-anecdote: I'm the happiest I've ever been with Windows both as a development platform and for everyday use. The release of WSL has solved a lot of daily annoyances, and I'm hoping that the new Windows Terminal app will soon be usable so I can replace cmder which has been great, but a little clunky and slow in my experience.

Other new features that I enjoy: Windows Sandbox, new Snip and Sketch, the current iteration of OneDrive (though I think I still prefer SkyDrive from many years ago..), Your Phone app for sending messages, emoji keyboard, clipboard history, local PIN instead of password.. I could go on but those are all things I use on a frequent basis and they make for a great experience.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by wvenable »

charlesdaniels wrote: post #60
wvenable wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever you're doing, it's not typical. My main desktop has been upgraded from Windows 7, WIndows 8, 8.1, and now Windows 10. I've never have to re-install in all that time. It's stable and fast. No update issues. This is really the norm. And I'm not particularly easy on Windows -- I have tons of development tools, games, customizations. I've changed hardware.

> This is really the norm. Again anecdotally; most of my friend group (professional developers and CS students) who run Windows seem to constantly complain about performance issues and bugs (UI issues, not sleeping correctly on laptops, etc.). I don't think anyone has ever said "hey guys, come check out this slick new feature" or really anything positive at all about it. > No update issues. Which has happened to me.…

People who don't have any problems don't shout it from the rooftops. They just go about their day quietly and contently.

And if you start looking around, you'll notice that people complain about Mac OS stability and Linux stability all the time too. It's pretty hard to gauge reality this way.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by charlesdaniels »

krisrm wrote: post #61
charlesdaniels wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has used Linux (with a few brief stints into macOS and BSD) for quite some time (since about 2012) coming from Windows before that, I don't understand the people who constantly defend Windows in these types of posts... In principle, the feature set that Windows 10 ships could be useful. I don't find it appealing personally, but if it works well for you then that's great. The issue that I have had is th…

Anecdotally, I've had about the opposite experience. Never have been able to get a graphics card to perform well under any version of desktop Linux I've used, the sleep feature generally hasn't worked, fan control is all over the map, and I hate using terminal to configure everything . Windows has almost always just worked fine for me, as it does for ~80% of anyone using a desktop OS.

I'm not going to sit here and defend Linux on the usability front (from the perspective of usability to a typical layperson at least).

Laptop support is definitely hit-or-miss, though it's come a long way in the last few years.

But once it works, it generally stays working.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by foobarqwertz »

Scramblejams wrote: post #57
owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

I'm glad you like it, but I use Windows 10 daily and I have a bunch of ongoing issues with it. I had to have IT reimage a Win 10 Enterprise machine because Cortana had somehow gotten so screwed up (how? I turn it off) that my Start Menu stopped returning results and I couldn't launch anything by typing. On another Enterprise machine, my Start Menu periodically starts coming up black and then disappears. I have to for…

That was my experience for the past 25years. I was the IT for quite a few friends, family and others. Back then I even troubleshot machines for some pocket money. The main solution was to reinstall Win. Usually a system became something beyond recognition so ressurrection by sacrifice was a viable means.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by groundlogic »

oonis wrote: post #46
groundlogic wrote: post #7

I've been using Win 10 on my main desktop for the past four years or so. I almost feel embarassed for saying so. Microsoft definitely has a systemic "Software Quality Problem". It does get really embarassing at times. Or, at least I would hope someone there is embarassed. I'm not sure. Maybe Raymond Chen is the single one embarassed person and everyone else are new recruits happy to be there? Really, the only reason…

Is this site saying that for 240 dollars I can buy LTSB? I've been trying to get a hold of a copy but unsure about the legality of those 30 dollar keys online since I don't understand licensing.

Mis-reply or spam? I dunno.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by charlesdaniels »

mises wrote: post #69
charlesdaniels wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has used Linux (with a few brief stints into macOS and BSD) for quite some time (since about 2012) coming from Windows before that, I don't understand the people who constantly defend Windows in these types of posts... In principle, the feature set that Windows 10 ships could be useful. I don't find it appealing personally, but if it works well for you then that's great. The issue that I have had is th…

I can't figure out why you would need to re-format that often. Perhaps you have some kind of esoteric peripheral with a bad driver? I've never had such issues, even though I tinker with mostly-hidden settings and break things I'm not supposed to. It's not perfect, and I hate the telemetry, but it's not nearly as bad as it used to be.

A GTX770 is the only special peripheral. I guess I can't rule out motherboard issues though, other than that when it used to dual boot Linux, the Linux side always ran just fine.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by ssully »

wvenable wrote: post #45
charlesdaniels wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has used Linux (with a few brief stints into macOS and BSD) for quite some time (since about 2012) coming from Windows before that, I don't understand the people who constantly defend Windows in these types of posts... In principle, the feature set that Windows 10 ships could be useful. I don't find it appealing personally, but if it works well for you then that's great. The issue that I have had is th…

Whatever you're doing, it's not typical. My main desktop has been upgraded from Windows 7, WIndows 8, 8.1, and now Windows 10. I've never have to re-install in all that time. It's stable and fast. No update issues. This is really the norm. And I'm not particularly easy on Windows -- I have tons of development tools, games, customizations. I've changed hardware.

We probably have similar setups. Built my current desktop 6 years ago starting with Windows 7. Use it mainly for playing games, but also for hobby software developer (so a plethora of software dev software and virtual machines). I have a the exact same OS upgrade pattern as you and also never have had to reinstall or have an update fail.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by Scramblejams »

slenk wrote: post #67
Scramblejams wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad you like it, but I use Windows 10 daily and I have a bunch of ongoing issues with it. I had to have IT reimage a Win 10 Enterprise machine because Cortana had somehow gotten so screwed up (how? I turn it off) that my Start Menu stopped returning results and I couldn't launch anything by typing. On another Enterprise machine, my Start Menu periodically starts coming up black and then disappears. I have to for…

While I agree with some points, the computer restarting, DNS not working, etc seem like restrictions implemented by your corporate IT - not issues with Windows 10

The computer restarting was my personal machine at home, running vanilla Pro, no IT policies applied.

The DNS/route not working issue was run up through IT, who checked Group Policy and found nothing they could see that would interfere with it. Not to say they're right, but if they're wrong, maybe it should be easier to use...

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by _ugfj »

This is so tiresome.

I posted this to reddit:

I installed my first Linux in 1994, before there was a Linux 1.0. I use Linux to this day on my router and my server.

I have been using Linux as my daily driver 2004-2017.

You can't say I haven't tried.

I maintain anyone advocating to use Linux on a notebook has Stockholm syndrome or more amicably, uses a very narrow set of hardware and services ("plain" wifi, no bluetooth, no printers, no scanners, no Thunderbolt). Windows has a Linux subsystem, use it, it's great.

Your choices include using Ubuntu or a similar system where the six month OS upgrade will break your system so badly you won't be able to work for days. Or you can use Arch where at least the main body of your system will stay alive (most of the time but not always) during rolling upgrades but "insignificant" pieces like MFC devices or bluetooth will break all the time. Mind https://xkcd.com/619/

And if you ever need to work with enterprises, their wifi, their VPN... the company will have an IT helpdesk ready to help with any glitches if you are running Windows or Mac but if you are running Linux? Sucks to be you. And it does suck.

I now have an external GPU via Thunderbolt. I plug in, my monitor plugged into lights up, all my running programs move there. It's a nonevent. So is undocking. How would that work on Linux?? The hot-plugging-an-nVidia-GPU might be supported on paper but I am very happy not to need to configure that and even more not to need to keep that configuration working. And I don't think moving apps from one GPU to the next GPU would just work without an X restart.

Nope. The driver support is so far superior in Windows it's not even funny. Sure the command line sucks but oh well, just use WSL. Use O&O Shutup to kill the controversial reporting back features. Enjoy.

And then I got some answers and I looked up other Thunderbolt uses under Linux and the results... oh my. A quick check shows the Aquantia 10 GbE chipset driver [broke](https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/58174) from 4.15 to 4.16 fixed in 4.17 and then from 4.20 to 5.0 again and there is a patch but the [bug report](https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202651) is still open (every affordable, single port 10 GbE TB3 adapter utilize this chipset).

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by throw0101a »

This post recommends LTSC because it has been pre-de-crappified (e.e., no Candy Crush pre-installed).

However in January 2020 Microsoft will not support Office 365 (ProPlus?) on LTSC. This is because the 'official' LTSC use case is for things like medical devices, and not "regular" desktops. It's just that many IT sites got tired of the Windows 10 what-a-mole with non-helpful features, phone home stuff, etc, that they went with the cleaner version.

Doing a quick search, it seems people are saying "just buy Office 2019" to square this circle.

Can anyone comment the pro/cons of using Enterprise LTSC or not?

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