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Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by antocv »

CraneWorm wrote: post #49
antocv wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are a victim of learned helplessness. Throughout history men have taken up guns to do what they think is right. There is nothing stopping you and friends to begin a war against environmental destruction. They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, like they called G Washington and his friends, gang rebels and bandits. To get political is not enough, armed uprising war is…

... just don't do anything that would land you in jail. > They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, In US they will call you a last Tuesday's shooter.

You dont have to begin with shooting people, begin with planting bombs at machinery, and dummy bombs. Kidnap people in power and decision makers. Violence is not just death, its also "unlawful inprisonment".

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by onevu »

oblio wrote: post #33
onevu wrote: post #22

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Has the fire spilled over other country?

https://www.france24.com/en/20190722-france-heatwave-tempera... https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/temperat... https://www.france24.com/en/20190810-france-luxembourg-torna... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48119498 Yes!

That doesn't look like fire to me.

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Post by jeanlucas »

emblaegh wrote: post #19
MaximumYComb wrote: post #16

Is anyone surprised? It's easy to be upset over this but most readers here live relatively privileged lives. The poor farmer lighting a fire is doing his best to improve his life by clearing more land. I don't know to improve the situation but I feel like we also need to have empathy and understanding.

I can be proven wrong, but I don't think it's poor farmers who are responsible for the deforestation of the Amazon. It's mostly big latifund owners with lots of lobbying power.

Gonna scream that one here: mining, look at norwegian and international companies mining in the middle of the forest. Plus previous administrations actions, like a giant power plant that will divert one of the biggest rivers over there.

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Post by doliveira »

sarcasmOrTears wrote: post #66
vfc1 wrote: post #20

Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…

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"Maybe I'm a retarded nazi,"

At least you know that.

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Post by an_ko »

antocv wrote: post #41
nikivi wrote: post #5

The sad part of reading news like this is the feeling of paralysis and helplessness of watching it all unfold. There are no actionable calls to action or advice laid out in articles like these. Awareness is good though. Perhaps it inspires people to work directly on solving nature's greatest problems. A friend of mine made a GitHub curated list about tech companies working in this space. https://github.com/nglgzz/awe…

You are a victim of learned helplessness. Throughout history men have taken up guns to do what they think is right. There is nothing stopping you and friends to begin a war against environmental destruction. They will call you eco-terrorists, like they called french revolutionaries murderers, like they called G Washington and his friends, gang rebels and bandits. To get political is not enough, armed uprising war is…

Seems like the wrong tool. I want them to understand. I don't want to shoot them.

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Post by jeanlucas »

jeanlucas wrote: post #54

Gonna give my 2 cents, bear in mind I'm in Brazil and am involved in projects related to the Amazon forest. My problem with all this are some things: * One problem I have is that during the last years Amazon savagery was going uncontrollable, no one cared, especially BBC, now that a president was elected that is not aligned with their point of view was elected, this became a front news issue. * Assuming this is all t…

One interesting point is made by Slavoj Zizek on our society[0] about the "good" billionaires that give with one hand what they destroyed with the other. This what it feels like about all of what is happening over there, 1st world countries give "aid" to cover the problem themselves did over there.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g

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Post by krick »

enibundo wrote: post #10
isostatic wrote: post #4

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What do you propose? UN action to invade Brazil? Germany and Norway have already frozen aid they pay to Brazil

You know how US gathers forces to go fight in iraq etc? Imagine if they did the same thing to help nature. I am not even talking about sending their people, just the mobilisation of politics to act on important subjects. Til we forget the "my lawn, your shit" way of thinking shit will be going south

Seeing people like you, perceiving USA invading whoever they want as a completely normal thing to do since "USA is good, obviously" makes me ready to support even fucking China in the military race against USA...

Re: Amazon fires: Record number burning in Brazil rainforest

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Post by hjrnunes »

icebraining wrote: post #55
hjrnunes wrote: post #24

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Funny how no one proposed to remove California from US sovereignty when the fires were raging awhile back. Or the Gulf of Mexico coast with the Deep Horizon incident. --- Não vai encontrar razoabilidade aqui, amigo. Esta gente julga que manda no mundo inteiro.

There's only one person in the thread even suggesting anything close to "removing sovereignty", yet you're already seeing a horde of enemies.

I count the parent, and a couple more replying with something-must-be-done answers at the suggestion that the territory be forcefully or otherwise removed from Brazilian sovereignty.

There are other comments in other sub-threads.

Also, this pretext isn't a new idea, and there's heavyweight international support for it.

“Contrary to what Brazilians think, the Amazon is not their property, it belongs to all of us,” Al Gore, then a senator, said in 1989.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/weekinreview/18barrionuev...

The Latin-American Bishops Conference denounced this back in 2007:

The growing assault on the environment may serve as a pretext for proposals to internationalize the Amazon, which only serve the economic interests of transnational corporations. Pan-Amazon society is multiethnic, multicultural, and multireligious. The dispute over the occupation of the land is intensifying more and more. The traditional communities of the region want their lands to be recognized and legalized.

https://www.celam.org/aparecida/Ingles.pdf Paragraph 86

The Brazilian Amazon territory borders British, French and Dutch interests in Guyana, French Guyana and Suriname, respectively.

So, I don't see a horde of enemies, but I see an agenda.

In my view, Bolsonaro's tenure is viewed as an opportunity to further this agenda, and that's if he's not in it himself.

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Post by anodari »

turrini wrote: post #56

Please stop. It is not the fault of the current government. Burning happens every year in the Amazon, and everywhere across the world. The leftist party is using international media to alarm against the current government. There are also investigations being carried out on these burnings, as there are indications that several are criminals and were executed by NGOs in this region. Those are the same who have lost ben…

What you wrote is the government narrative, it lacks sources. The reality is that the current government has been loosening its controls a lot by dismantling the Ministry of Environment's supervisory bodies, using the narrative that climate change is alarmism. This veiled incentive to deforestation promoted by the government is being reflected in satellite data and increased burns.

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Post by vfc1 »

Hitton wrote: post #64
vfc1 wrote: post #20

Brasil needs to be heavily sanctioned by the international community, I'm talking Cuba-level stuff if we want to even have a chance at stopping the rise above 2 degrees, we only have 12 years which means that it's already probably too late. More worrying is the rise of populism in the world supported by fake news, ignorance and social media that led to this. How did someone as ignorant as Bolsonaro ever managed to ge…

I consider such approach rather oppressive and reeking of colonialism attitudes. It sounds like: "Fuck Brasil, let's ban them from using their natural resources, while we happily keep using ours". There is literally no reason why other countries countries couldn't plant more forests to enhance their carbon depositions, now Brasil thanks to their rainforests does more of biosequestration than any other country on Eart…

No other country can plant a rainforest the size of Amazonia, come on that does not make sense.

The Amazonia rainforest is unique and cannot be replaced, I don't get how the rate that it's getting tore down to plant soy crops for cattle feed to allow for the production of cheap meat is not alarming to anyone.

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