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Re: Creeping normality

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Post by kristianp »

I was going to add a link to normalization of deviance [1] here, but there is a list of related concepts on the page:

    Boiling frog
    Camel's nose
    Gaslighting
    Defeat in detail
    "First they came ..."
    Foot-in-the-door technique
    Moving the goalposts
    Normalisation of deviance
    Overton window
    ''Principiis obsta''
    Salami tactics
    Shifting baseline
    Slippery slope 
    Technological change as a social process
    Tyranny of small decisions
    Change blindness
[1] https://danluu.com/wat/

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by esotericn »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #61
bibyte wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What ? The cheapest flat LCD TV plus cable service costs about 100 dollars. And the monthly subscription is about another 2 dollars. That's not enough to buy the cheapest smart phone. People in India certainly can afford that. In fact many teenagers these days buy $250-300 (average) smart phones. Also keep in mind I am talking about rural India.

This is what I don't get. If the median income is about ~$1600, how does almost everyone have a $200 phone? If you assume a phone gets replaced every 3 years -- with service -- that's about $110 per year, or close to 7% of a person's total income. In the US, median income is ~$32k -- $26k after taxes. If you make the same assumptions, a phone would cost about $580, or close to ~2% of a person's total income. So it se…

Consider the amount Americans spend on cars.

If I had to, I would spend 10% of my income on a smartphone / laptop / whatever without even thinking. It simply pays for itself.

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by KuhlMensch »

fatso784 wrote: post #33

Could just call it... normalization? There's already a word for that.

I agree.

But for a different reason: I am wary of the originating author.

I personally find Jack Diamond a compelling writer, but it has been pointed out to me that he tends to play fast and loose when mixing in ideas from outside of his domain. Thus, I prefer my Jack Diamond, like my Jack Daniels, dry, and without ornamentation. Which is why I would personally prefer it's safer for his nomenclature to stay in his books.

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by deepbreath »

Makes me think of the gradual increase of identity politics in mainstream media, politics and liberal circles, to the point it's driving me insane. Most people around me seem undisturbed by it though.

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by firethief »

jchanimal wrote: post #68
firethief wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*Internal combustion cars. Electric cars enable us to avoid polluting the cities by burning coal somewhere unimportant.

My take is it’s more about killing pedestrians than polluting.

Oh. I didn't expect that, probably because in the US car-pedestrian accidents kill 6,000 people a year [1] and air pollution kills 6,000,000 [2]

1. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/28/589453431... 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/04/18/air-po...

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by onlyrealcuzzo »

esotericn wrote: post #73
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I don't get. If the median income is about ~$1600, how does almost everyone have a $200 phone? If you assume a phone gets replaced every 3 years -- with service -- that's about $110 per year, or close to 7% of a person's total income. In the US, median income is ~$32k -- $26k after taxes. If you make the same assumptions, a phone would cost about $580, or close to ~2% of a person's total income. So it se…

Consider the amount Americans spend on cars. If I had to, I would spend 10% of my income on a smartphone / laptop / whatever without even thinking. It simply pays for itself.

I CANNOT believe how much Americans spend on cars. As an American, I just do not get it.

Whether you're rich or poor, people spend INSANE amounts of money commuting. I get it that our public transit is garbage. I just don't get how much people pay to commute instead of moving somewhere that makes better economic sense (even within the same metro, where you can keep all your roots -- your family and friends and eat at your favorite restaurants and all that).

Re: Creeping normality

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Post by jchanimal »

firethief wrote: post #76
jchanimal wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take is it’s more about killing pedestrians than polluting.

Oh. I didn't expect that, probably because in the US car-pedestrian accidents kill 6,000 people a year [1] and air pollution kills 6,000,000 [2] 1. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/28/589453431... 2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2018/04/18/air-po...

But way more than 6000 kids a year don’t play outside because of our artificially created apex predators.
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