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Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by toper-centage »

stock_toaster wrote: post #58
rubicon33 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they will continue to decline as long as a $200 Android phone can do literally ~95% of what a $1400 iPhone can do. Seriously, there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today. Build quality on the Android devices even in the $200 realm are damn near what the iPhone offers. For the record: I've used iPhones since 2010. I've never had an Android until this year. It came time to upgrade…

> there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today * iOS (I prefer it over android) * customers already tied into the apple ecosystem * more of a focus on privacy (admittedly, this one is probably debatable)

So it's a mix of Stockholm syndrome and lazyness to change and tweak the system a bit in a more privacy friendly way.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by whatshisface »

mr_crankypants wrote: post #31
izzydata wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does there have to be something else? What are the implications of a company growing forever? In 500 years are there going to be only 3 companies because they acquired everything and nothing else makes products?

It seems that the endgame we're unwittingly asking for is WALL-E .

The hitch in that plan is that only one company can have their P/E ratio justified by being Buy-n-Large 100 years from now.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by tinus_hn »

skrowl wrote: post #23

iPhone sales continues to decline (down another 13% vs this quarter last year), but services are making up for it

iPhones have become extremely expensive so I buy a new one less often. I presume they set the price at the level that makes them the most money though.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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rubicon33 wrote: post #53
skrowl wrote: post #23

iPhone sales continues to decline (down another 13% vs this quarter last year), but services are making up for it

And they will continue to decline as long as a $200 Android phone can do literally ~95% of what a $1400 iPhone can do. Seriously, there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today. Build quality on the Android devices even in the $200 realm are damn near what the iPhone offers. For the record: I've used iPhones since 2010. I've never had an Android until this year. It came time to upgrade…

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Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by snazz »

stock_toaster wrote: post #58
rubicon33 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they will continue to decline as long as a $200 Android phone can do literally ~95% of what a $1400 iPhone can do. Seriously, there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today. Build quality on the Android devices even in the $200 realm are damn near what the iPhone offers. For the record: I've used iPhones since 2010. I've never had an Android until this year. It came time to upgrade…

> there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today * iOS (I prefer it over android) * customers already tied into the apple ecosystem * more of a focus on privacy (admittedly, this one is probably debatable)

The focus on privacy is not at all debatable compared to Android. There’s no way to argue that any Android device sold with Google Play Services (i.e. all of them in the US) is more private than an iPhone. iOS security and privacy is flawed in more than one way, but is infinitely better than Android.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by terminalhealth »

samfisher83 wrote: post #20

This is how it did compared to expectations EPS: $2.18 vs. $2.10 estimated by Refinitiv consensus estimates. Revenue: $53.8 billion vs. $53.39B estimated by Refinitiv consensus estimates. Q4 Revenue guidance: $61 billion to $64 billion versus $60.98 billion estimate by Refinitiv consensus estimates. iPhone revenue: $25.99 billion vs. $26.31 billion estimated by FactSet. Services revenue: $11.46 billion vs. $11.61 bil…

These estimates are amazingly accurate or is my amazement inappropriate?

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by criddell »

rubicon33 wrote: post #53
skrowl wrote: post #23

iPhone sales continues to decline (down another 13% vs this quarter last year), but services are making up for it

And they will continue to decline as long as a $200 Android phone can do literally ~95% of what a $1400 iPhone can do. Seriously, there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today. Build quality on the Android devices even in the $200 realm are damn near what the iPhone offers. For the record: I've used iPhones since 2010. I've never had an Android until this year. It came time to upgrade…

Apple still has a better product for people concerned about privacy and security. Not perfect, but better. They also have retail stores all over the place where you can get help when you need it. Again, the experience might not be great, but at least you have that option.

In the Android world, I don't think I would recommend anything but a Pixel device just because they get all the security updates and get them faster than Samsung and all the rest.

For the record, my phone is a Pixel 2.

The bigger differentiator though is the app stores. If there's an iOS app or Android app that you need, then the decision is made for you.

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by snazz »

toper-centage wrote: post #71
stock_toaster wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today * iOS (I prefer it over android) * customers already tied into the apple ecosystem * more of a focus on privacy (admittedly, this one is probably debatable)

So it's a mix of Stockholm syndrome and lazyness to change and tweak the system a bit in a more privacy friendly way.

Unlocking the bootloader, flashing TWRP, and installing LineageOS without Google Play Services is roughly equivalent in privacy to an iPhone. I wouldn’t blame my grandma for choosing to buy an iPhone instead!

Re: Apple Reports Declining Profits and Slowing Growth Again

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Post by r00fus »

stock_toaster wrote: post #58
rubicon33 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they will continue to decline as long as a $200 Android phone can do literally ~95% of what a $1400 iPhone can do. Seriously, there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today. Build quality on the Android devices even in the $200 realm are damn near what the iPhone offers. For the record: I've used iPhones since 2010. I've never had an Android until this year. It came time to upgrade…

> there's just no good reason for a general consumer to purchase an iPhone today * iOS (I prefer it over android) * customers already tied into the apple ecosystem * more of a focus on privacy (admittedly, this one is probably debatable)

> * more of a focus on privacy (admittedly, this one is probably debatable)

Not even sure why this is considered debatable. Even if it's just "perception" (which I doubt) it's a real reason to buy.

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