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Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

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Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

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I need to spend time with people. I feel miserable when I don't. I doesn't matter if it's quality time, I can literally be doing nothing useful but if I'm sharing that time with someone else then it's all good. The irony is that I frequently don't because of some circumstances that I live in, but I'm working hard to change change that.

> I doesn't matter if it's quality time

Does it matter with whom?

How about people openly disrespecting you under the guise of friendship? (I've seen this happen thousands of times, never understood why people tolerate it)

How about backstabbers? How about people envious of you?

My point is - does it really have the same effect on you, regardless of the quality of relationship?

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

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Anecdotally... I am, but I seem doomed. I'm not really antisocial. In fact, I can become overtalkative at times when in a social setting. But, given the option, I never seem to want to 'get out' and socialize. Though, when I force myself to, I am in such a better mood for a few days. Then, back to normal, and avoiding social gatherings again until the next time.

Sounds like you have an introvert trait (in the Myers Briggs sense), which does not mean despising human interaction but that even though you enjoy it, it’s taxing at some level (but you get some benefit at another level). If this is the case, the rejection comes from energy being exhausted (no one enjoys being exhausted) and you have to recharge your social interactions batteries. At some point you may have intuitiv…

> NN

Neural network??

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#73
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC ran a phenomenal article here [1] detailing a wide array of data on the longevity of people through the ages. How long did higher class Ancient Greeks live? Ancient Greece dates back to starting around 3,300 years ago. In spite of their remarkable technological achievements they remained almost entirely ignorant of medicine. They relied on a system based around the 'four humors' - blood, phlegm, yellow/black…

> It seems to suggest that a large part of our increased life expectancy is not from the trillions of dollars we've spent on trying to find a [profit making] pill for everything, but instead from very simple things like access to clean water and food. That's a massive leap. Other things that killed a lot of young people are: * childbirth * infection * disease, including the occasional plague that decimates a populati…

Of course you're correct that these also had higher, and probably much higher, mortality rates. But what matters is overall impact. Let's say that x% fewer people die in childbirth today. What would that mean? What you'd start by doing is seeing the cause of death for a large sample of people in times past. So let's say you look at 100,000 people. How many would have had mortality caused by childbirth? It'd be extremely negligible and almost certainly in the single digits if not fractional. Keep in mind you're looking at all deaths, not just deaths of women who gave birth. And so that x% improvement results in a comparably small gain - childbirth being safer does not have a major quantitative impact because its rate as a general killer was, and is, very low.

What would be killing people? All the way up until the mid 20th century famine was one of the biggest causes of death. Famine and related issues all the way up until the mid 20th century was a huge killer. For instance in the early 1900s around 27 million people died in famines with a world population of about 1.7 billion. [1] That's 1.6% of the entire world dying of famine in one year! Now go back 3000 years with all the difficulties that entails.

And then consider things like food poisoning. We consider it, as a cause of mortality, mostly eradicated in the developed world. Yet it was such a pernicious killer that "eradicated" translates to 3,000 deaths from foodborn disease per year in the United States alone [2]. And now once again, go backwards in time to imagine how radically worse things would have been. To give that number some contrast consider measels. The vaccination was introduced in 1963. In the decade leading up to the immunization 400-500 died per year from it. [3] In other words foodborn disease is a bigger killer today than measels was before there was a vaccination for it. This isn't some anti-vax thing, but trying to give perspective to how and why people have died throughout the ages.

[1] - http://www.thegwpf.com/the-era-of-great-famines-is-over/

[2] - https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/index.html

[3] - https://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#74
I doubt there's an answer to that question that applies to the general population.

Some people are miserable without social interaction and others dislike it intensely.

And even if someone manages to build some statistics that proves the general answer is "yes", I suspect said answer will be of very little practical use to a given individual.

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#75
post #27

In my experience no human is ok with being socially isolated for a long period of time. But difficulty with forming healthy social relationships makes the experience of attempting to "warm up" to others very unpleasant to people who don't get social exposure to begin with. Especially for anyone that performs extensive introspection it is very difficult and the experience can be interpreted as unhappiness. I think may…

>In my experience no human is ok with being socially isolated for a long period of time

Citation needed.

There was an article on HN a couple of weeks back about a guy who spent 20+ years alone in the woods and was perfectly happy for it.

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#76
I’m currently spending time traveling and can sometimes go stretches without much interaction. I mostly stay at hostels and it’s wierd how that kind of communal sleeping arrangement makes me feel better even if I’m not actively interacting with people there. I think this was mentioned in the book Tribe by Sebastian Junger, about how we’ve evolved to sleep in large groups and that doesn’t really happen anymore.

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#77

It is just me, or does "at least once a month" not really seem like regular interaction with friends? I'd have thought at least once a week would qualify as regular. Once a month seems really irregular, I couldn't imagine seeing my friends only a dozen times a year. Is this common?

Once a month seems about right, and for me it's not the same group of friends necessarily.

My wife and I have some couple friends and our schedules are hardest to align. (Kids, work, family time). And then we both have some single friends without kids, with which we can just choose any time and it will probably work to meet up.

That's just part of getting older and starting a family I suppose. Priorities shift a bit :)

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#78

It is just me, or does "at least once a month" not really seem like regular interaction with friends? I'd have thought at least once a week would qualify as regular. Once a month seems really irregular, I couldn't imagine seeing my friends only a dozen times a year. Is this common?

I'd spend entire years seeing friends almost daily. In school, during the summer, and then when living together. Now we see each other, at max, once every few months. That's just adulthood, and tbh it seems natural. An active Whatsapp group and a quarterly weekend away together is enough to keep the bonds strong.

Quality over quantity! :)

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I seem doomed If you think you are doomed you will be doomed. >I'm not really antisocial If you think you are not really antisocial you will be not really antisocial. >I can become overtalkative at times If you think you can become overtalkative you will be able to become overtalkative. >I never seem to want to 'get out' If you think you never seem to want - you will never seem to want >when I force myself If you th…

But how? Also your comment could have been a bit more concise. This way it reads really tedious and kinda like you're making fun of it. Or rather, the actually important part (how to do it) is concise to the point of not even being included!

I wanted to show how much we tend to condition ourselves. I don't have the intention to make fun here.

It's good you are asking about the how - please see once you think "I am " - this is what will determine your whole behavior on many levels and this is what you will become in many ways. Try to be conscious through the day and see every decision you are making - is it in some way based on the idea of yourself? A simple pattern of a mind "I will (not) do that because I am (not) a ...".

One way to go beyond this is to see clearly - every single moment of your life you are not "somebody" defined. Instead according to the situation around you become somebody. In the office you become an office worker and behave in one way, at home you become a family member and behave another way, at a party with friends it is again another way. Sometimes you can even forget to "be someone" and just be - for example in moments of great joy or intense activity.

Just see if you can observe this through your day - you should see yourself that your personality is flexible, it is not set in stone. See if you can find where does it come from, what defines it - I promise you this discovery will be one of the most wonderful things happened to you.

This is as much as I can give you via a text message.

Re: Are we happier when we spend more time with others?

#80
post #29

May be not a popular opinion but I think we feel happier when we spend friends because it helps us forget about ourselves and inner dialogues. I don’t mean it in a sad or depressing way but our mind chatters all the time and it’s exhausting for the body’s resources. Spending time with others gives us break from that.

All of man’s problems stem from his inability to sit quietly in a room alone. -Blaise Pascal

I was not aware of this quote and I don't really think that all problems are caused by this, but I did notice the said inability. It's is astonishing how people are unable to be in silence and with themselves. The constant need for some drowning noise: radio, TV, Youtube, just headphones with some music 100% of the time they are awake. As if they are afraid to hear something unpleasant if it becomes quiet for a minute.

I, otoh, find it very meditative. And my recent hobby/passion/activity are the long (in time and duration walks— 30-100km). These are organized events, so lots of people go, sometimes in thousands (most choose shorter distances though), but I go alone and it is so… healing(?) experience. For 5-18 hours you are just with yourself and your thoughts. There is nothing you can do, just walk. Sure, one can listen to audiobooks or music, but I choose not to—it spoils the experience somehow.

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