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Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by lapnitnelav »

Kaiyou wrote: post #66
lapnitnelav wrote: post #63

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Yeah, I agree with you but I think removing a way to feed the ego might have side effects that could help, namely killing any mean behaviour fueled by the need for points.

Are you suggesting there's no mean behavior on 4chan?

I find 4 chan to be an interesting experiment. Yes it mostly is a cesspool. Yes folks there are pretty much awful.

But it's also extremely egalitarian. Everyone is on the same, whether you be an old* or a new*.

I don't partake but I like to dive in and observe them. Fascinating, because as much as we'd like to deny it, 4chan is the whole spectrum of humanity.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by wyattjoh »

bocklund wrote: post #59
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #47

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Sounds like something Github should implement - indicate the latest activity anywhere instead of just the master branch. I too will scan the last activity and shrug if they don't seem to have been updated for a year. Can you configure the dev branch to show up on the landing page of github?

Yes: Settings -> Branches -> Default branch We have our develop branch set up, which tracks all the contributions as you would expect. We treat our master branch as a latest release branch.

We've considered doing that, we're just supporting a lot of newsrooms still on our latest stable release (v4) as we put the finishing touches on our newest release (v5). Super excited to share some of the advancements we've made, using lots of really neat tech!

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by davesmith1983 »

antihero wrote: post #65
olah_1 wrote: post #55

>In our study of gender nonbinary people of color, women of color, and online commentary, participants talked about having to constantly run a cost-benefit analysis on participation in any online conversations, based on the likelihood that they would be attacked, merely for participation. 4chan solved this problem a decade ago. Put your content before your identity rather than the other way around. In many spaces tod…

Ah yes, 4chan, the bastion of respectful and productive online discourse.

4chan has got a lot of stuff done. Consider the HWNDU saga:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw9zyxm860Q

Obviously this is trolling, but it damn impressive they found it.

They've done quite a lot of other stuff including finding ISIS targets and getting them killed, using nothing bit a sheet of paper and an innocuous message to make the media look silly, they've even caught animal abusers.

Plenty of people stick their nose up to them but they are probably one of the more effective online communities. It just depends whether you happen to like what they are effective at.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by wyattjoh »

KajMagnus wrote: post #33
wyattjoh wrote: post #31

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We’re doing all the development under the next branch, a big rewrite to typescript :)

Ok :- ) Thanks for the reply. Curious about the new features / benefits / things you'll add, is there any roadmap? (didn't find in GitHub or the blog) (If you're doing more things than moving to Typescript. Typescript is great b.t.w. :- ))

We're working on a more public roadmap, but the move to Typescript also allowed us to switch out Apollo on the client side with Relay as well as some other pretty significant improvements to the software as a whole (as you said, TS is pretty great :) )

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by davesmith1983 »

gdubs wrote: post #62
olah_1 wrote: post #55

>In our study of gender nonbinary people of color, women of color, and online commentary, participants talked about having to constantly run a cost-benefit analysis on participation in any online conversations, based on the likelihood that they would be attacked, merely for participation. 4chan solved this problem a decade ago. Put your content before your identity rather than the other way around. In many spaces tod…

Did they, though? The only demographics I could find on 4chan are their advertising stats, and according to that the site is 70% men under 35, mostly from the US and a handful of European countries. [1] Doesn’t really sound like a thriving wellspring of diverse opinions. 1: https://www.4chan.org/advertise

You are working under the fallacy that diversity of opinion will be correlated somehow to arbitrary characteristics such as Race, Gender and Sexuality. This is patently not true.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by davesmith1983 »

hnarn wrote: post #41
sittingnut wrote: post #3

non recognition of subjectivity of terms like "journalist", "annoying", "off topic", etc., used in description, don't bode well for success of this project.

The term "journalist" is no more subjective than "author" (literature) or "programmer". As with many things, the line is normally drawn where people start to making (wholly or partyly) a living from the activity or not, i.e. whether they are professionals.

A lot of people call themselves journalists are actually activists though.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

olah_1 wrote: post #53
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #42

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Same. Reading "Five Myths of Community Design" on the same site [1] left me kind of wondering if they really built a service people would want to use. Personally, I've always thought the "like" model of modern online interaction is broken, but my idea about fixing it would be to add "Agree" and "Disagree" buttons, but only display the sum the two as a measure of engagement. [1] https://coralproject.net/blog/five-myth…

>"Agree" and "Disagree" buttons Why not just have an Overton window slider that lets people place where they think the comment is on the scale?

That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. It puts emphasis on "Is it acceptable to post this". I'm talking precisely about ignoring those posts altogether.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by Noos »

ggm wrote: post #14
andrepd wrote: post #11

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Source? Those are pretty serious accusations.

Funny, I don't see these as accusations, I see these as curated engagement. The upside is there, if you know up-front its the basis of the engagement. If its applied retrospectively it sucks, for a number of people. But curation is not always bad. "it depends"

There's no "engagement." It just ends up with banal "I agree" posts that add nothing to the article. And it doesn't add many to them, Polygon's comment sections tend to be tiny and not worth reading, for example. You get better news and engagement on reddit.

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by gdubs »

davesmith1983 wrote: post #75
gdubs wrote: post #62

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Did they, though? The only demographics I could find on 4chan are their advertising stats, and according to that the site is 70% men under 35, mostly from the US and a handful of European countries. [1] Doesn’t really sound like a thriving wellspring of diverse opinions. 1: https://www.4chan.org/advertise

You are working under the fallacy that diversity of opinion will be correlated somehow to arbitrary characteristics such as Race, Gender and Sexuality. This is patently not true.

Those characteristics aren’t arbitrary; they equate to an entirely different life experience. That means a more diverse set of viewpoints.

“People who are different from one another in race, gender and other dimensions bring unique information and experiences [...]”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-diversity-mak...

Re: Talk: An open-source commenting platform focused on better conversation

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Post by whydoineedone »

it's censorship and controlling thought and debate but honestly, I think we need some of that in the US right now. too many conspiracy theories and stupid ideas are afloat, flooding the entire nation in a pool of garbage. it will be heavy handed but overall for the good of the country's stability
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