Anyone with more insight into all of this than me who can explain why they went to fight on the Russian side? I mean, there surely were neo-nazis around on both sides of that conflict, right? Just different flavours? I wonder how you pick who to support if your core ideology is that "people different from us are bad".
There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.
Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile
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Re: Italian police raid of neo-fascist militants finds air-to-air missile
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And even Google translate: > The investigations had begun about a year ago when the police headquarters in Turin, coordinated by the Central Directorate of Prevention Police, had monitored some people linked to political movements of the ultra right and who had fought in the Ukrainian region of Donbass against the separatists. Wouldn't one expect at least that as part of fact checking? Edit: Damn, so perhaps the poli…
Seriously, you prefer wikipedia over official police report?
Judging from the other comments, Wikipedia may be correct in this case. Although, as I noted, the cites are a few years old. So FN could have switched sides again.
Also, given that I don't know Italian, I don't really know what the police report said.
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Very jealous. Russia is simply considered the "good guy", standing up against the perceived oppression from globalism and European federalism. The people of the EU often want to see ourselves as progressive, but we're a very diverse lot and there's a lot of people who would like to take a few steps back in regards to LGBT rights, Pan-Europeanism and multi-culturalism.
The actual popular support [or opposition] for whatever ideas [or against] are usually very different than what strongly consolidated power hierarchies show. (That is in countries where one party gained significant power, eg. in Hungary and Poland.)
Of course. EU citizens, on average, have very little information about what's happening in the eastern parts of Europe, no matter the subject, and since many people dis-trust mainstream media nowadays it's easy to spread one's own narrative and use that for one's own purposes, while ignoring the fact that such expressive freedom wouldn't be possible without the system that one is critizizing.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are no* neo-nazis from the Ukrainian side, it's a Russian propaganda myth. Since WW2, they've been putting a "neo-nazi" label on anyone who thinks that Ukraine shouldn't be a part of Russia. * I mean that ocurrence of neo-nazis is approximately the same as in any normal country. You can never say there are no neo-nazis in any particular group of people, of course.
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2016/08/bandera...
During WW2, there were two opposing camps in Ukrainian forces: Andriy Melnyk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Atanasovych_Melnyk) who wanted to cooperate with Germans, and Stepan Bandera who opposed that (and actually spent almost all of WW2 as a concentration camp prisoner). Melnyk was much less popular back then, and today there is no glorification of him either. We honor Bandera who fought against both Nazis and Soviets. Of course, Russian propaganda can't stand the latter part, and tries to defame his memory as much as possible.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2016/08/bandera...
During WW2, there were two opposing camps in Ukrainian forces: Andriy Melnyk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Atanasovych_Melnyk ) who wanted to cooperate with Germans, and Stepan Bandera who opposed that (and actually spent almost all of WW2 as a concentration camp prisoner). Melnyk was much less popular back then, and today there is no glorification of him either. We honor Bandera who fought against both Nazi…
Of course this isn't true - Bandera plainly did not oppose cooperation with the Germans - he cooperated with them very enthusiastically, both before and after his arrest. And he did not spend "almost all of WW2" in concentration camps.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2016/08/bandera...
During WW2, there were two opposing camps in Ukrainian forces: Andriy Melnyk ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Atanasovych_Melnyk ) who wanted to cooperate with Germans, and Stepan Bandera who opposed that (and actually spent almost all of WW2 as a concentration camp prisoner). Melnyk was much less popular back then, and today there is no glorification of him either. We honor Bandera who fought against both Nazi…
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