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Open Source Could Be a Casualty of the Trade War

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Re: Open Source Could Be a Casualty of the Trade War

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Quite the opposite - it makes more and more companies to consider open source. RISC-V is all rage now, people turning their eyes to open source EDAs. I hope with the help of SymbiFlow[1], Chisel[2]/FIRRTL[3], and other similar tools the duopoly of Intel (Altera) and Xilinx will come to its end. There is also an interesting initiative[4] to make ASIC design as affordable (in terms of time, knowledge, and money) as pos…

The issue is not that it reduces interest in open source. In fact the article states there's evidence that open source solutions are getting renewed attention in the Chinese government. The issue is that the executive order would make it unlawful to share technology with foreign adversaries. So it effectively forces open source projects to hard fork along geopolitical boundaries. For example, if (and these are still…

Thanks for the answer, it makes the problem clear.

Re: Open Source Could Be a Casualty of the Trade War

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Feels like this should be taken with a big grain of salt. Presidents can’t extend tax breaks

Bold Presidents can do a lot more than we assume; so much of their assumed limits on power are moderated by convention, reputation, and the willingness for opponents to use the courts. If we take no other lesson from the past 2.5 years...

Those last 2.5 years are the culmination of what happened over a hundred years ago with Woodrow Wilson when he criticised the founding documents and dismissed the separation of powers.

This [1] appears to be written from a more right-wing stance, although it could just be rightly critical of Wilson's legacy. Regardless, it's not inaccurate. Hopefully the dislike of Trump will help to shock the rest of the system back into seeing a worth in a strong separation of powers. It's not that Obama didn't also disregard them, it's just that he's far more likeable and suits the views of a lot of people. Not so great when there's an incumbent you don't like.

And that's the point.

[1] https://www.grassrootinstitute.org/2012/09/constitution-201-...

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A contact at Foxconn just told me yesterday that Apple is genuinely serious about leaving China completely. Apparently, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Cook last week, and extended an offer of a tax break and other "relocation packages" on the size "not seen in human history" if Apple moves to USA. Hearing things like that keeps reminding me that Taiwanese engineering fraternity is one of worlds best intelligence agencies :)

And Apple will milk that agreement long after Trump leaves office, doing whatever makes more sense for the bottom line, even if that means moving to production to Mexico eventually. And, just like all these large companies, will avoid paying corporate taxes to an even greater extent. Trump will claim he restored American manufacturing, and he will have, long enough for him to Tweet about it, and not much longer.

All true but all still better than what Obama did for us which was jack and shit. We have had a really bad run of poor/sellout leadership in the USA. It's time our representatives began working for us. Also, wouldn't it be nice if the country was run by the people we elected and not by deep state shit heels?

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If you’re confident that free countries produce better tech why do we have to choke them out? Wouldn’t it be a stronger message to let the freedom do the work?

Taking a stand for human rights; putting our money where our morals are.

But forgetting the morals for a second, doesn't it dilute the message? Here's an amoral analogy:

We're running a marathon and I'm currently winning but you're catching up. I'm confident that I'm winning because I take 10000mg of vitamin C every day. But also I'm going to pour burning asphalt on the road behind me.

When you lose the race, are you going to reconsider not eating vitamin C every day, or will you blame me for pouring burning asphalt on the road?

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This means get the open source off github as well...

Or keep it there where you have one of the most powerful companies in the world to defend it.

There is nothing to defend. US gov(i.e Trump) gives a directive and the "one of the most powerful company in the world" complies like all the others did(i.e Huawei's suppliers, Oil companies dealing with Iran etc).

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The weakness of freedom of speech is it also allows freedom of lying. It's the cost of it. I think there could/should be an amendment to constitution that prevents government officials from consciously lying to people

The fact of whether an official "consciously lying to people" is extremely hard to know, because it is a measure of someone's status of mind in the past. The real world is much more complicated than what you could imagine. Take Obama's: 'If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan' as an example. He repeated this message for many many times: https://www.politifact.com/obama-like-he…

Good points. Clearly there are gray areas. But sometimes it would be possible to prove lying. Just like it is possible to prove some marketing is fraudulent.

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A contact at Foxconn just told me yesterday that Apple is genuinely serious about leaving China completely. Apparently, Mr. Trump summoned Mr. Cook last week, and extended an offer of a tax break and other "relocation packages" on the size "not seen in human history" if Apple moves to USA. Hearing things like that keeps reminding me that Taiwanese engineering fraternity is one of worlds best intelligence agencies :)

Cool story, I guess subsidies are ok now.

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Have you missed all the articles about Chinese students returning to China once their American education is complete?

They are not staying in the US because it's 'freer'. Increasing numbers are leaving once they got what they came for.

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