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Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by a012 »

tveita wrote: post #67

> Due to the nature of JSFiddle, anyone can post anything, so wallet codes are ok – we did implemented a content filter to shadow-ban these. > I asked Twitter if they they could help out and ban twitter accounts that were posting scam tweets that included links to the rouge fiddles. So they basically sent a message to Twitter saying "We're knowingly hosting malware and we don't intend to remove it, here are some exam…

Did you read the actual block quote?

> we did implemented a content filter to shadow-ban these

JSFiddle shadow-ban these scam accounts, and they asked Twitter to do the same but Twitter bans _all_ JSFiddle URLs instead.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by japanoise »

scrollaway wrote: post #55
tinus_hn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s the eternal September. Almost all online communities ultimately either die out or become overflowed by the masses.

I don't understand why that's not okay, though. I get people get attached to communities they're a part of, but just like people, they change and/or die. If you think about it, it's absurd to expect them not to: Even if the community keeps its member list exactly intact forever, and the members remain at their exact same activity level forever, those very members will change over time. Hell, you will change over time…

The problem isn't change per se, but change for the negative brought on by mainstream exposure leading to an influx of new members who don't learn the ettiquette of the community before joining in.

An analogy would be if HN was suddenly overrun with rude, non-technical people attacking other posters and causing drama, and outnumbering the thoughtful and constructive comments and links we come to the place for.

The "eternal september" is particularly sad if you go back and read the archived posts of early usenet - I would kill to get discussion of that quality on the net today.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by gatherhunterer »

tveita wrote: post #67

> Due to the nature of JSFiddle, anyone can post anything, so wallet codes are ok – we did implemented a content filter to shadow-ban these. > I asked Twitter if they they could help out and ban twitter accounts that were posting scam tweets that included links to the rouge fiddles. So they basically sent a message to Twitter saying "We're knowingly hosting malware and we don't intend to remove it, here are some exam…

Twitter was being used to disseminate malware and addressed it in a way that hurt another platform without fixing their own. JSFiddle took a reasonable approach that did not affect Twitter and left their product offering intact while punishing bad actors. Twitter slapped a “JSFiddle bad” band-aid on the problem that does nothing to address the problem of Twitter being used to spread malicious content. Instead of using their size to do more Twitter uses it to do less.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by hrktb »

Timucin wrote: post #18

> Twitter just went the easy route and blocked all jsfiddle.net links instead of blocking spammer accounts on their platform. This is a huge problem with all the tech giants that needs to be addressed. I don't expect them to be perfect but I expect them to be open to communications on any level. I also think Twitter is the Twitter today just because of the bots and fake accounts they have since those accounts were cr…

> I know people whose spending days by reading those fake accounts while they have no idea what's fake and what's real

That's not your point I think, but fake|bots accounts and subs are among the best things we got from twitter/reddit in my opinion.

Aside from the ones designed to be funny from the start, the nonsensical ones also blend perfectly with what we would call 'legit' users and serious posts/communities.

That's to a point where I find it really useful to purposefully inject fake and non sensical content in the timelines to get some daily critical training, but also an escape hatch for the mind when hitting some of the submissions that we think just can't be real.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by navigatesol »

FreeHugs wrote: post #21
djsumdog wrote: post #14

JSFiddle is big. They tried. They voiced concerns. They asked foe help. They got a ban with no explanation. Please just join the fediverse. It's broken too, but if you get banned, at least you can open an alt on another server. Force Twitter to be irrelevant.

The problem is: I have yet to find a person in the fediverse that interests me. I like to read tweets from accomplished people. Successful startup founders for example. Is there anybody out there? Any links to people of significance in the fediverse?

>I like to read tweets from accomplished people. Successful startup founders for example.

You can't get your Startup Founder porn from here or one of the other umpteen social sites? 60% of all social media seems to be from "successful founders" or "influencers". Hard to imagine anyone finds a dearth of that stuff.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by likeclockwork »

StudentStuff wrote: post #37
scrollaway wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> why do you give a shit? Given your tone, I'm going to guess you're not asking the GP a question in earnest. You should try to think about why they might "give a shit". Twitter's userbase is its primary feature. Not its shitty UI, not its awful character limit, and none of the stuff mastodon's various UIs are copying. Its userbase . If you want the fediverse to succeed, you need to understand that. And you need to s…

I don't want the fediverse to "succeed", frankly its the only space for us LGBTQ+ to not be harassed, reply guyed, and screen-capped online that isn't a corporate hellhole. Edit: "Success" in our current world seems to be defined as the transition Reddit has gone through, where the userbase has exploded, its eaten Facebook's lunch to a fair degree, but the quality of discourse and interaction has dropped like a rock.…

> screen-capped

People are upset that others are taking screenshots of their public posts?

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by onion2k »

Hendrikto wrote: post #70
onion2k wrote: post #40

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Given the nature of the product, there is no way for the maintainers of Js fiddle to prevent it from being used to run arbitrary code, because that is what it's meant to do. There are things they could do though - such as limiting the execution time of a fiddle to a couple of minutes, or limiting the size of the code, or blocking certain calls, and so on. Users are running code that's been saved to the JSFiddle serve…

> Users are running code that's been saved to the JSFiddle server, so it's not unreasonable to suggest JSFiddle have some responsibility to their visitors. I do not think so. If I insult another user on Hackernews, how is Ycombinator resposinble for that? I don‘t think platforms should be responsible for what their users do. That is a very slippery slope, leading to the horrendous way YouTube deals with copyright cla…

If I insult another user on Hackernews, how is Ycombinator resposinble for that?

Your example is a difficult one because only the person who the derogatory comment is aimed at can decide whether or not they're insulted. Whether or not something is insulting is up to the person it's aimed at. The same goes for things like negative comments, stupid comments, copyright on a derivate work, etc. Whether those things are actually bad is a matter of opinion, and each party probably takes a different position. Consequently it's different situation, and not really relevant here.

A better analogy would be if I were to invent a piece of plain text malware and posted it in a Hackernews comment. Would YCombinator or HN have any responsibility to remove it, or should they just let it sit there? I contend that when something is actively harmful the publisher has a duty to protect visitors by removing the content or limiting it's impact. (And HN has some awesome moderators who do exactly that in very extreme cases, plus users here can flag things to hide them when there's a consensus, so it's not really like HN is completely free of 'censorship')

Plenty of people take the opposing view that platforms shouldn't get involved. There are two sides to most arguments. I'm slightly on the other side to your position.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by userbinator »

vanderZwan wrote: post #59
skrebbel wrote: post #52

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Twitter doesn't exactly target the kind of demographic that understands what "to run crypto mining scripts" even means, let alone how to assess whether they "trust the source". I mean, it was retweeted by someone I follow and it has a funny picture of Trump with a dancing turd emoji on his head, what's there not to trust? It's extremely hard to coach non-technical users into making the right call when presented with…

> It's extremely hard to coach non-technical users into making the right call when presented with a security warning box. And not presenting them with any call at all is guaranteed to keep them non-technical. We have to take the training wheels off at some point.

The companies don't want that, because they are afraid of losing control over their "users" as the latter become more technologically literate and realise there are better alternatives.

You can already see some of this in things like DRM and adblocking, and of course the various walled gardens.

Mainstream software is all about keeping users blissfully ignorant and consuming.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by hu3 »

Phenix88be wrote: post #30
layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #12

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Crypto scammers can simply switch to GitHub Pages. Can Twitter ban github links?

Why not ? They did it for JSFiddle. They own the platform, so technically they do what they want.

The backlash from banning GitHub links would be magnitudes larger than JSFiddle.

Re: Twitter is rejecting posts containing JSFiddle URLs

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Post by giancarlostoro »

reitanqild wrote: post #57
FreeHugs wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is: I have yet to find a person in the fediverse that interests me. I like to read tweets from accomplished people. Successful startup founders for example. Is there anybody out there? Any links to people of significance in the fediverse?

Drew DeWalt is there and a number of others, especially the creators of the fediverse like Eugene and others ;-) FWIW you can also use an account on i.e. Mastodon to follow twitter users. I suddenly realized because I was following a twitter users through a gateway, probably because someone had boosted a tweet from that account sometime and I had followed based on that. That should take care of following at least.

Mind sharing more information on this? I have a Mastodon account but never even noticed this.
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