Having not drunk an ANSI cup of ISO coffee, what is the approximate amount being discussed? A pack a day (of ground beans)? How many GreatBrittan cups are in, e.g. a typical Swedes' coffee?
I assume they're talking about my 1.5 litre / 52 oz cups.
Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says
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Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says
#72Self reported survey without a dose of caffeine. This is less than useless
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#73this is simply not truth, at least to me. I tried couple of coffees around a week and then suddenly my heart went to nearly broken. For most of people, I guess too much coffee will do more harm to heart than good.
That's why I always say Study and Research is an ongoing process which people tend to understand the universe, and it maybe wrong and wrong again, until u finally veiled the final secret.
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#7425 cups of coffee in a day sure seems like an unhealthy amount of caffeine. it seems the only factor they were checking for (?) was arterial stiffness? if you're arteries aren't stiff but you're hyped and anxious out of this world and have a very elevated heart rate... not sure the stiffness is what matters anymore 1 cup typical drip coffee = ~70-120mg caffeine 25 cups = ~1750-3000mg caffeine Examine ( https://examin…
Bear in mind this study is only considering effect on the heart, caffeine's primary effect will be on your brain.
(Plus since the '25 cups' only comes from the fact that that is the limit of who they tested, the result is essentially 'we haven't found a level of coffee use that is harmful to the heart, yet'.
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#75I love coffee but I feel three per day is pushing it. Do people really drink much more than that?
I probably drink 6-8 cans of soda daily, though they've got less caffeine than a cup of coffee. I find I just like to sip on something constantly, and water gives me a headache.
> I find I just like to sip on something constantly, and water gives me a headache.
I'd see a doctor about that, water shouldn't give you a headache unless you drink much more than 6-8 cans worth a day, you might have a sodium deficiency or have something else wrong. Maybe even a sugar come down from the 6-8 cans of soda which is far from healthy.
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#76> Although some participants in the study drank 25 cups a day, the average intake among the highest coffee consumption group was five cups a day
There's an obvious sampling bias, where if Joyful Joe is happily guzzling his 25 cups a day, he's probably not fighting weird heartbeats and trouble breathing the whole time, whereas Jittery Jim has one cup and talks the ears off his local beleaguered 7-11 worker and has to be dragged out by security only to spend the night awake in bed chewing every loose bit and bob off his own fingers.
Also, IIRC when people say people with heart conditions shouldn't drink coffee they mean "because stimulant overdoses screw up the heart's electrical rhythms and can turn not-so-good oopsies into fatal oopsies" and not "because you'll have a heart attack in 50 years". Heart attacks in 50 years are, however, a good reason to keep away from the delicious cookies you are probably disappearing into your hungry feeding tube washed down with a milk-and-sugar mixture sold at a huge markup because it contains 0.5g of plant material painstakingly harvested by faraway children, but definitely not 25 times a day, because no one's that rich.
> The research also showed that moderate and heavy coffee drinkers were most likely to be male, smoke and consume alcohol regularly
Oh, well, they're dying of heart disease either way, might as well have fun doing it.
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#77When we parametrize complex systems in studies such as this, I feel we tend to lose the forest for the trees. Okay, so maybe 25 cups of coffee a day won't destroy my heart. But this is what happens when I have 5 cups of coffee a day: 1) I get jumpy and I feel anxious. If I drink too much I start to feel what I can only describe as existential dread (I know it's weird). 2) I can't hold on to things because my hands ar…
I love the taste of coffee, had cafe au lait as a kid, then brewed, then french press and stove top moka pot. The last two methods slowly made me sick. It turns out when not using a paper filter, things like cafestol makes it through the process in higher concentration and after a few days of consumption I would get intense pain near my liver/gallbladder, for about 30 minutes I would be on the bathroom floor waiting…
Chicory's a pretty good impossible burger equivalent. Not sure on its carcinogenic status though.
Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says
#78I love coffee but I feel three per day is pushing it. Do people really drink much more than that?
I drink about a couple of liters per day, sometimes less, depending on the mood. I think I have no caffeine sensitivity at all, since I have normal BP, no sleep problems, and am able to stop drinking all caffeinated beverages for a few weeks without any (obvious) problems (did it several times after getting tired of the taste). All these personal anecdotes ( when I stopped drinking coffee, my wife returned to me, and…
People greatly enjoy feeling like they made a worthwhile sacrifice and giving up coffee is an easier achievement than running a half-marathon (though that one is also a popular cause of returning wives and Powerball wins).
Anyway, I'm like you, and actually once said "I have no caffeine sensitivity LIKE AT ALL", and then I cut down from "last coffee before dawn" to "around 1.5L" and the amount of psychological side effects I stopped having did change my life (no Powerball involved). At the time, of course, I would have called such side effects "that's just me". So, mileage varying. And some people are super sensitive to that somewhat racing adrenaline feeling, even though it is not actually dangerous.
Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says
#79When we parametrize complex systems in studies such as this, I feel we tend to lose the forest for the trees. Okay, so maybe 25 cups of coffee a day won't destroy my heart. But this is what happens when I have 5 cups of coffee a day: 1) I get jumpy and I feel anxious. If I drink too much I start to feel what I can only describe as existential dread (I know it's weird). 2) I can't hold on to things because my hands ar…
A few years ago I just decided to give up caffeine entirely. It wasn't worth the impact on my sleep or the stop-everything-and-find-caffeine headaches I got. I became uncomfortable with the fact that, in some small way, a substance exerted that much control over my life.
Did you replace it with something else?
Re: Up to 25 cups of coffee a day still safe for heart health, study says
#8025 cups of coffee in a day sure seems like an unhealthy amount of caffeine. it seems the only factor they were checking for (?) was arterial stiffness? if you're arteries aren't stiff but you're hyped and anxious out of this world and have a very elevated heart rate... not sure the stiffness is what matters anymore 1 cup typical drip coffee = ~70-120mg caffeine 25 cups = ~1750-3000mg caffeine Examine ( https://examin…
British study. We can infer instant coffee was the main preparation recorded in the study, which has a lower caffeine content than fresh brewed. ~70-120mg look like drip brew numbers. Instant tends to run from 30-50mg. 25 cups of instant == ~750-1250mg
Good point, hadn't considered that, which does make a significant difference.