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Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by stevenhuang »

For these encounters to coincide with the first tests of next gen tech, it's entertaining to imagine these "aliens" were caught unawares and subsequently improved their stealth posture as a result of us seeing things we're not supposed to.

Some hubris in that, but if they really are just automated probes, they may be reactionary in nature and adjust behaviour accordingly, and not, say, analyzing our comms and behaving "intelligently"... Of course it could be that they just want to be seen.

Or that we really are imagining things--the ghostly artifacts of a complex system with kinks not yet sorted out.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by lsllc »

exabrial wrote: post #69
gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

> are a autonomous surveillance and intervention system > they are subluminal since we're talking crazy theories... how do they defeat the speed of causality to relay information back home?

Subspace communications of course (don't you watch Star Trek?)

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by threezero »

sheeshkebab wrote: post #4

At first I thought these were just glitches in complex military imaging and sensor software/hardware. But then a more sane version of me took over and concluded that I’m looking at aliens in YouTube videos.

Pilots made visual contact in at least two cases, so not just a sensor glitch for those.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by Recurecur »

exabrial wrote: post #69
gfodor wrote: post #50

Skepticism means positing alternative theories that explain the evidence, not coming up with less-extraordinary theories that contradict the evidence, which is what most of the threads here do. Super intelligent AI certainly seems plausible as a thing which could exist. Fusion powered sub-light speed autonomous drones certainly seems like a thing which could exist. Any super intelligent AI would take actions to ensur…

> are a autonomous surveillance and intervention system > they are subluminal since we're talking crazy theories... how do they defeat the speed of causality to relay information back home?

"how do they defeat the speed of causality to relay information back home?"

Why must 'they' (assumption there) 'defeat the speed of causality', exactly?

Even at light speed, the information will beat any physical threat to the home region, permitting some kind of response.

Also, the idea that 'causality' is bound to the speed of light is, in my opinion, simply a result of our limited understanding. Just as relativity opened new vistas, it is likely a new theory explaining gravity, dark matter, and dark energy will provide entirely new, fundamental understanding - and possibly FTL communication/travel.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by Recurecur »

deepnotderp wrote: post #67
svd4anything wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We will likely never know since these things are so far beyond our ability to capture or analyze, but my theory at least doesn't break physics. I’m not sure about that. For sake of discussion assume they are self replicating Von Neumann probes [1] from an ET civilization, interesting something serious scientists would predict we might find as first evidence. We do now have working high energy laser weapons. I would…

Yes, let's shoot at something that's sent from a civilization with technology incomprehensibly more advanced than ours. Great idea, I'm sure they won't be able to annihilate us in a few seconds.

LOL! Concur.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by Recurecur »

deepnotderp wrote: post #70
convivialdingo wrote: post #56

I spent my childhood around New Mexico, my family also knew a handful of scientists out at the labs. We heard a lot of funny stories. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if some gov tech was testing against the Navy. But I also wouldn’t be surprised if we just don’t have a clue. My uneducated, completely bonkers guesses would be plasma stealth drones or multibeam lasers. I knew several scientists in the 90s that worked on…

My bet is also that it is a hypersonic plasma stealth drone. Plasma injection also reduces drag and aerodynamic heating if done right , that would also explain the anomalous thermal signature. especially at hypersonic velocities Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans.

"Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans."

It doesn't explain:

  - Operations far from any support vehicles (no carrier like the F-18s had). Must be a nuclear/LENR/antimatter power source.

  - Going from hover to high supersonic/hypersonic. No current hypersonic platform has anything like that capability

  - The acceleration involved in the extremely rapid course change at the end of the one video has been estimated at "hundreds of Gs". That's far beyond the current highest performance missiles, which top out at a few tens of Gs. This is similar to several historical reports.

  - The lack of conventional wings, control surfaces or visible windows/sensors

  - The "field effect" visible around the object at times. There's no technology in the open literature like that.
I find these videos extremely convincing, and interesting!

request: Provide a way to do decent lists!

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by Rebelgecko »

spookybones wrote: post #16

When the stealth bomber was top secret and still being tested, most of the army, air force, and navy was unaware of it. Something flying at such a high altitude was considered impossible. Naturally, Air Force fighter pilots were some of the first to observe it, and some of those pilots wondered out loud if it was an alien encounter. No one at Area 51 corrected them. So, this could be a similar scenario. It could even…

The stealth bomber has the same maximum altitude as a B-52 from the 1960s

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by deepnotderp »

Recurecur wrote: post #76
deepnotderp wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bet is also that it is a hypersonic plasma stealth drone. Plasma injection also reduces drag and aerodynamic heating if done right , that would also explain the anomalous thermal signature. especially at hypersonic velocities Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans.

"Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans." It doesn't explain: - Operations far from any support vehicles (no carrier like the F-18s had). Must be a nuclear/LENR/antimatter power source. - Going from hover to high supersonic/hypersonic. No current hypersonic platform has anything like that capability - The acceleration involved in the extremely rapid course change at the end of the one video…

I can't explain 2 and 3, but the rest can all be explained by plasma cloaking.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by deepnotderp »

Recurecur wrote: post #76
deepnotderp wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bet is also that it is a hypersonic plasma stealth drone. Plasma injection also reduces drag and aerodynamic heating if done right , that would also explain the anomalous thermal signature. especially at hypersonic velocities Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans.

"Being a drone would explain accelerations that would kill humans." It doesn't explain: - Operations far from any support vehicles (no carrier like the F-18s had). Must be a nuclear/LENR/antimatter power source. - Going from hover to high supersonic/hypersonic. No current hypersonic platform has anything like that capability - The acceleration involved in the extremely rapid course change at the end of the one video…

Plasma cloaking and MHD control can be used for wingless aerodynamic control.

Re: Carrier Group in Recent UFO Encounters Had New Air Defense Tech

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Post by deepnotderp »

So my best bet explanation for a non-UFO explanation is a hypersonic plasma cloaked, MHD controlled drone.

Control despite visible wings or aerodynamic surfaces, at will invisibility to radar, anomalous thermal signatures, hypervelocity at relatively low altitudes, accelerations that will kill humans, can all be explained by this.

However, I will admit that the extremely high reported acceleration afaik is not something we know of. Perhaps solid rocket boosters?

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