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The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Andrew, I think mixergy is one of the coolest things on the web. You've done great work bringing so much content to inspire us. So I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see you interview the likes of Tim Ferriss. Don't get me wrong; I understand that you're a journalist and want to keep an open mind. No question about the popularity of this person and his subject. I just don't think that he or his message are ve…

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Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some publishers/authors really organize reviews by sending preview copies of books to reviewers.

I am one of those. I had an advance copy, loved it and posted my review. Feel free to challenge anything in my review: http://amzn.to/hDRfVB

Since you asked:

1) You didn't disclose that you received the book as a gift from the author/publisher and in advance.

2) That you were (I presume) asked to review the book on Amazon by the author/publisher.

3) That you didn't even read the book (only "several chapters") before giving it a 5 star "review".

4) You used a URL shortener on HN.

5) You used a URL shortener to obscure the Amazon affiliate tag in your link.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate my life choices for not having such a fellow on my radar (spelling is Ferriss - I discover by searching on Amz). Yet I wonder how I could have become so cynical as to doubt the "socially redeeming value" of an ~author~ who gets a book published by including claims such as: > YOU WILL LEARN (in less than 30 minutes each): > How to lose those last 5-10 pounds (or 100+ pounds) with odd combinations of food…

I'm apprehensive about Tim Ferriss. I've read 4HWW, and found it to have some good advice, as well a a significant amount of fluff. The announcement of "The 4-Hour Body", with lists like this on the book, have only increased my skepticism and apprehension. I enjoy fitness. I've worked out four to five days a week for the past seven years, first at a climbing gym, and then with Crossfit. I've competed in fitness compe…

"It's why athletes who take rest periods or have injuries are able to come back just as strong in only a few weeks."

It's more complicated than that. Actual muscle mass has less to do with being strong than leverage and nervous system development.

Leverage is genetic and there's not much you can do about having long arms.

What you call "muscle memory" is the strength and frequency of nervous system signaling - most strength gains come from changes in the nervous system.

That's why there's tons of drug-free power and weightlifters who don't have a ton of muscles but are extremely strong. Conversely, there's tons of bodybuilders using steroids who can't actually lift all that much. This is because muscle mass is mostly dependent on hormones.

You don't gain muscle by lifting weights so much as you raise your testosterone level by lifting weights, which promotes muscle growth.

So athletes can come back quickly in terms of strength, but not so much size.

From what I read about Tim's "muscle gain" advice (he posted the story on his blog) it was mostly just water and fat. I bet he started out by dehydrating before the experiment, too. Assuming you start out slim it's very easy to gain 34 pounds in a month by drinking water, eating a ton of high-carb foods and taking creatine (I've done ~20 pounds in two weeks this way to go up a weight class). The only way you're going to gain any muscle that way is with weightlifting (a lot more than 4 hours) or steroids, and preferably both.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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What I tried to capture in this interview is Tim's belief that you can get 80% results with 5% effort. And that the other 95% effort (or whatever the %) is either the facetime that we feel we must put in to feel we earned our result, or an attempt at perfection. I'm not sure I agree with him completely, but my goal in the interviews is to learn, not to argue for "my side." My other goal here was to find out how he id…

as someone who took his advice a few years ago about weightlifting, i can tell you firsthand that what he said then was reasonably accurate. my efforts, by generally doing what he suggested, produced generally similar results.

can you link to the protocol you use, and explain what results you got?

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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post #20

Andrew, I think mixergy is one of the coolest things on the web. You've done great work bringing so much content to inspire us. So I'm surprised and a little disappointed to see you interview the likes of Tim Ferriss. Don't get me wrong; I understand that you're a journalist and want to keep an open mind. No question about the popularity of this person and his subject. I just don't think that he or his message are ve…

I realize that there is a lot of hate directed towards Tim Ferriss and his tactics, but you can learn a ton from him. Even if you ignore everything that he says and writes, just watching him in action will make you a better entrepreneur. I haven't watched/listened to the interview yet, but it seems like Tim is a great fit for Mixergy.

I realize that there is a lot of hate directed towards Tim Ferriss and his tactics, but you can learn a ton from him. Even if you ignore everything that he says and writes, just watching him in action will make you a better entrepreneur.

I find that the best way to deal with self-promoting people is to ignore them. I have a limited amount of attention and brain space, and I really don't have time for Tim Ferriss trying to cram himself into every nook and cranny of it.

Besides, Tim Ferriss is a cunt. If you try to learn from his example you'll become a cunt too.

(Interesting: my spellcheck flags "cunt" as misspelled. How else would you spell it?)

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some publishers/authors really organize reviews by sending preview copies of books to reviewers.

I am one of those. I had an advance copy, loved it and posted my review. Feel free to challenge anything in my review: http://amzn.to/hDRfVB

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Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am one of those. I had an advance copy, loved it and posted my review. Feel free to challenge anything in my review: http://amzn.to/hDRfVB

Since you asked: 1) You didn't disclose that you received the book as a gift from the author/publisher and in advance. 2) That you were (I presume) asked to review the book on Amazon by the author/publisher. 3) That you didn't even read the book (only "several chapters") before giving it a 5 star "review". 4) You used a URL shortener on HN. 5) You used a URL shortener to obscure the Amazon affiliate tag in your link.

staunch - valid questions

1) fair point, but devil's advocate says that is to be expected considering I posted it on launch day.

2) yes, I received a friendly reminder email that today was launch day and that tim would appreciate reviews. he did not specify positive in his wording. just that he would like reviews up.

3) The book actually _recommends_ not reading it in its entirety but rather selecting a few relevant sections based on what you want to do. I am not interested in the fat loss sections as I am already at 11.8% body fat, rather I am interested in the muscle building sections. Page 11 talks about 4 different "tracks" you can take with the book: rapid fat-loss, rapid muscle gain, rapid strength gain or rapid sense of total well-being (improving sex, perfecting sleep, etc). I quote from the book:

  Do *not* read this book from start to finish.
4/5) I had already tweeted it earlier so it was easy for me to copy the link. As for affiliate, the HN consensus seems to be that "good faith" links with affiliate codes are okay. a book I would have recommended anyway. If HN really, really hated affiliate links then my Kindle review would not have gotten so many upvotes and 16 people would not have purchased them through me and the disclosed aff link

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate my life choices for not having such a fellow on my radar (spelling is Ferriss - I discover by searching on Amz). Yet I wonder how I could have become so cynical as to doubt the "socially redeeming value" of an ~author~ who gets a book published by including claims such as: > YOU WILL LEARN (in less than 30 minutes each): > How to lose those last 5-10 pounds (or 100+ pounds) with odd combinations of food…

I'm apprehensive about Tim Ferriss. I've read 4HWW, and found it to have some good advice, as well a a significant amount of fluff. The announcement of "The 4-Hour Body", with lists like this on the book, have only increased my skepticism and apprehension. I enjoy fitness. I've worked out four to five days a week for the past seven years, first at a climbing gym, and then with Crossfit. I've competed in fitness compe…

You've clearly never ran 50 km in one go.

You're talking 5 intense months to safely train minimum, for a person who can run 5 km.

Training for a 50 km isn't "just aerobics", it's also about strengthening your bones and ligaments and developing the mental tools you'll need to finish. It's about learning what your body needs to stay hydrated. Learning how to minimize calorie use. Learn how to run through the walls (yes, plural, there's normally two of them on a 50 km run). How to eat on the run without throwing it all up or squirting it out from your shorts. Aerobics is the least of it, IMHO.

12 weeks is a laughable claim.

And yes, I've run 50km (and far beyond) in one go.

Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate my life choices for not having such a fellow on my radar (spelling is Ferriss - I discover by searching on Amz). Yet I wonder how I could have become so cynical as to doubt the "socially redeeming value" of an ~author~ who gets a book published by including claims such as: > YOU WILL LEARN (in less than 30 minutes each): > How to lose those last 5-10 pounds (or 100+ pounds) with odd combinations of food…

I'm apprehensive about Tim Ferriss. I've read 4HWW, and found it to have some good advice, as well a a significant amount of fluff. The announcement of "The 4-Hour Body", with lists like this on the book, have only increased my skepticism and apprehension. I enjoy fitness. I've worked out four to five days a week for the past seven years, first at a climbing gym, and then with Crossfit. I've competed in fitness compe…

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Re: The 4-Hour Body: (Quickly) Hacking The Human Body

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Update: Tim says if you buy 3 copies of his book and email him your receipt, he’ll send you a chapter that his publisher edited out of the book.

This on top of an incredible claim caused my informational immune system to close the tab. If any reasonable person made such a discovery, they would be concerned about skepticism, about looking like a huckster. And about being wrong! They would look for some way to validate their work and would see if they could convince someone credible in the field before they started pitching it to the general public. This guy is going out of his way to look like a charlatan. Conclusion: he's looking for suckers and is weeding out everyone else right up front.

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