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Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Thanks for your support! Yes, it specifically seems like anything with the word "tracker" in it got axed. Maybe it's just a glitch?

I just bought your app – looks fantastic! I'm sorry this is how I discovered your app, and hope the issue gets resolved.

Thank you!

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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This is just another way of saying "Apple doesn't give a f*ck about indie developers." Might be true, but it's still shitty.

Apple is not a marketing service.

Except that is part of the quid-pro-quo of letting them take 30% of your revenue, the idea that they will curate and market apps. Something they were doing for rooster8 and then inexplicably stopped. If we have to do our own marketing, then WTF is the point of the vig?

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Edit: I do not expect it can help resolve the issue much, but I went and left the app a rating as I have used it and find it quite good. I realized I had neglected to do so until now

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I do not understand the people agreeing with Apple that search results are not guaranteed. App Store search does not nearly exist to serve developers; it exists to help users. This app was number one for years and has good reviews. I’ve used it myself and like it.

And then it vanishes. Something went wrong in Apple systems: either they been making a mistake for years, or a glitch has occurred. This developers support ticket is basically a bug report and Apple is ignoring it. It is pedantically correct to point out that search rankings can end at any moment. But this is far from a good result and I am baffled that some people are siding with Apple here to justify what is clearly a bug.

To the developer: before pulling the plug I strongly suggest trying a subscription model. I would probably pay a few dollars a year just to keep the app, heavy users would be even more willing to pay. I don’t know if your numbers make that sustainable but there may be a way to do so.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Wow. I literally use this App every single day. I think it was $5 and I have gotten enormous value from it for 3+ years. Sad that what is probably a random glitch on Apple's part can just kill a person's livelihood overnight. I used to be a full time iOS contractor but have moved away from it in the last couple of years. Dealing with this kind of junk is one of the main reasons why. I have lots of similarly frustrati…

where have you moved to?

Some general backend and web work, and some blockchain stuff as well.

The latter is the opposite set of tradeoffs. Completely permissionless, but lots of riff-raff and scammy nonsense going on.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Edit: I do not expect it can help resolve the issue much, but I went and left the app a rating as I have used it and find it quite good. I realized I had neglected to do so until now ————- I do not understand the people agreeing with Apple that search results are not guaranteed. App Store search does not nearly exist to serve developers; it exists to help users. This app was number one for years and has good reviews.…

Well said. Exactly right.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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Changing the tagline to "Predictive Weight Tracker" might have an interesting (positive) effect, for a variety of reasons. It seems likely Apple has downrated the phrase "weight loss" altogether. It's odd that the app marketing doesn't explain how it's useful once you reach a target, and doesn't offer any hint that it can be used to set weight gain targets for people who are looking to reach a new weight class. If I…

>It seems likely Apple has downrated the phrase "weight loss" altogether. What makes you say that?

Apple takes a more long-term view of health self-care than “weight loss” alone can encompass, and so it wouldn’t surprise me if a phrase that is highly prone to fraud and snake oil outside the App Store was eventually punished.

“Reach and maintain your target weight” with at least one screenshot showing an increase phase and a maintenance phase rather than decrease would be vastly more inclusive and health-forward than today’s “weight loss only” content.

Is this app useful for recovering anorexics, or for maintaining a target weight after reaching it? I imagine it is, but I couldn’t tell from its App Store page.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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> In this example there's also only one supermarket, the Apple app store. My argument was simply about who is responsible for promoting the app. But your point is correct. My response to this: Would having multiple app stores available on iOS really solve the issue that OP is experiencing? If iOS suddenly allowed a user to download apps from multiple different stores, would the number of app downloads for OP increase…

I think both the multiple app store and 'apple isn't responsible for promoting your app' are both red herrings. The issue is that the search function in the app store lies to end users. To use the example in the article, if I go to the app store and search for "weigh loss tracker" I get 5 result, none of which is Happy Scale. The default sort is 'relevance', whatever that means, but i can change that to Most Popular.…

Is this bad faith or unbelievable incompetence on Apple's part?

It's tempting to assume the former, but I seriously suspect the latter.

As a user I've seen this happen repeatedly. Search can't find an app even if I enter the name.

This happens for mundane but specialised apps - train timetables, toll payment apps, and other apps for which there is literally no alternative, never mind one that might somehow sell better and make more money.

I don't see how this possibly benefits Apple. Possibly there's some not very effective "optimisation" happening, but it's also possible search is just plain broken.

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Wow. I literally use this App every single day. I think it was $5 and I have gotten enormous value from it for 3+ years. Sad that what is probably a random glitch on Apple's part can just kill a person's livelihood overnight. I used to be a full time iOS contractor but have moved away from it in the last couple of years. Dealing with this kind of junk is one of the main reasons why. I have lots of similarly frustrati…

Between putting all eggs into one basket and fanatically favouring a closed garden what was expected to happen here really?

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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This is just another way of saying "Apple doesn't give a f*ck about indie developers." Might be true, but it's still shitty.

Apple is not a marketing service.

Apple quite literally is the market, and they refuse to allow external influences on the market's listings (mostly, sorta).

Apple chose to adopt it's existence as being a market and they're getting the revenue that goes along with assuming responsibilities which they are shirking.

Apple really needs to be hit with anti-trust investigations. Ditto for the play store.

Re: Delisted Overnight: A Cautionary Tale for Indie iOS Developers

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This is just another way of saying "Apple doesn't give a f*ck about indie developers." Might be true, but it's still shitty.

Apple is not a marketing service.

Arguable some portion of the cut that Apple gets from app sales is to pay for the inherent "marketing" that the app store provides.
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