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Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by undersuit »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #56
JamesBarney wrote: post #17

I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef. His complaint is > 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They ar…

He hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.

Aren't the producers of Beyond Burger also motivated by profit and therefore just as suspect?

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Post by closetohome »

ablation wrote: post #2

Regardless of veracity of OP's claims on Twitter, it's worth noting he sells "bone broth" and other animal-derived health and fitness products. There's always a dog in the fight somewhere.

Also this gem

> Spoiler alert - I am incredibly skeptical, and am short $BYND

So...sells his own bullshit superfood, and is short on BYND. Welp, I'm convinced that he's completely unbiased and only interested in the greater good.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by closetohome »

undersuit wrote: post #71
cannonedhamster wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.

Aren't the producers of Beyond Burger also motivated by profit and therefore just as suspect?

I don't see Beyond Burger talking shit about Justin Mares.

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Post by closetohome »

dagw wrote: post #36
asutekku wrote: post #3

It’s a burger. It’s not meant to be consumed daily and it switching to it or other plant based burger decreases the amount of meat consumed. No matter what it’s a much better deal than going in to a mcdonalds / whatever and getting the burger of the month from there.

If you go to McDonalds and order a burger with fries and a coke, then surely just changing the actual meat in the burger to a Beyond Meat burger is going to have close zero effect on the overall "healthiness" of that meal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by closetohome »

s9w wrote: post #31
Sawamara wrote: post #9

"Vegetable oils are terrible for you?" At that point, I knew something was up. He is one of those who consider soy harmful to you. Sheer insanity. Also, he is making an argument on a false pretense: that eating processed meat is somehow okay because its already introduced to our diet. Guess what: it is not good for people. This is a product that is designed to be an alternative to that, not to home-cooked healthy ita…

There is quite some data on vegetable oils being unhealthy. Why is that "insanity"?

The insanity is claiming that the oils in Beyond are somehow as bad or worse than the fat found in red meat.

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Post by dfrage »

Lazare wrote: post #48
dagw wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly off topic, but what is actually "canola oil". I thought it was just the US name for Rapeseed oil, but the reputation it has in the US seems extremely negative. Rapeseed oil is equally common throughout much of Europe and I've never heard anybody here say anything particularly negative about it here, certainly nobody claiming that it's categorically worse than any other oil.

Yes. Canola is, basically, the edible type of rapeseed oil. The name was originally a trademark, but is now a generic term. Australia and NZ also call it "canola", but it's the same oil either way, and it's fairly decent, as far as vegetable oils go.

Per Wikipedia, "the name was a condensation of "Can" from Canada and "ola" from other vegetable oils like Mazola".

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by jaworrom »

JamesBarney wrote: post #17

I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef. His complaint is > 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They ar…

Too much vegetable oil? Your ratio of Omega-3:Omega-6 fatty acids will be out of whack, causing inflammation in the body.

Too much soy? There are plenty of PubMed studies that cite soy's effect on hormones and the estrogenic activity that it can cause.

It seems to come down to balance.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Post by cannonedhamster »

undersuit wrote: post #71
cannonedhamster wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He hates on it because it impacts the profits of the products he sells. That's it. Never trust someone who is motivated by profit to believe a particular narrative.

Aren't the producers of Beyond Burger also motivated by profit and therefore just as suspect?

I'm going to say yes. You should be just as suspect of health claims and sustainability claims of a plant based burger. But there's generally science to back up that a plant based diet it both better for the environment and better for health reasons than a meat based diet. Does that mean you shouldn't eat meat? I mean, you do you, but if you care about the environment or health generally the veggie burgers are more likely than not to be more supportive of your belief system. If you don't care about either of those things, then I suppose you would choose on taste and that's a personal preference.

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Post by liamcardenas »

Lazare wrote: post #33
eyko wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the point about canola oil, it's not so much that it's a good fat (it is), but that it becomes a trans fat when heated (all vegetable oil). Since this is not a salad with a drizzle of canola oil, but a burger, that is something you should care about.

Canola oil contains low amounts of trans fat, comparable to all other oils, and while heating it does increase the amount, it's slow . Using canola oil in a deep fryer for 7 hours per day for 7 days resulted in boosting the trans fats from 2.4% to 3.3% by weight; the canola oil in the beyond burger will be at the low end of the range. Meanwhile, actual beef fat is around 5% trans fat, meaning that if trans fats are a…

I think the trans fat thing was a metaphor (impossible burger doesn’t even have canola oil). His main point that the beyond burger is not very nutritious — it’s just protein isolate and oil with a bit of fiber and flavoring.

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Post by tracker1 »

JamesBarney wrote: post #17

I don't think anyone is arguing that these burgers are healthier than eating salmon and broccoli. Just healthier and more environmentally friendly than ground beef. His complaint is > 8/ My larger concern on both of these burgers is that - at minimum - they are HIGHLY processed products with lots of stuff that doesn't lead to healthier humans: vegetable oils, soy, protein isolates, additives, all non-organic. They ar…

I'm not sure I'm convinced they're better than burgers from grass fed ruminant animals. Then again, I'm allergic to legumes so won't be having them anyway.
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