Study Pinpoints Source of Banned Gas That Saps Ozone Layer: Eastern China

Post by ppseafield » Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:16 AM UTC

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America has the same business culture; what's saving (most of) us is our better-functioning regulatory culture.

> America has the same business culture; what's saving (most of) us is our better-functioning regulatory culture. The difference in America is it's not good business practice to hurt your own customers. i.e. reputation matters. You mess up just once, and it takes years for your brand to recover (this includes non-brand brands, like store brands or generics). In China it seems like there's a never ending supply of new…

Post by Apocryphon » Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:29 AM UTC

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Really not. Spend some time in China. It won't take long (hours to days) before you notice the utter callousness with which people habitually treat strangers and the environment around them. It can't be believed until it's experienced.

Is there any place with comparable population density with a substantially better social environment? If so, have you any theories that could explain the difference?

Post by nikkwong » Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:35 AM UTC

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I mean, let's be honest here: is this really a surprise? There's a business culture of dishonesty throughout the country that is unprecedented. Their food supply is poisoned by factories that simply don't care about life and only care about money. There have been articles about how cooking oil is recycled from waste, and how fish are fed feces instead of food and packed in ice from polluted waters. Fake milk, fake ba…

There's plenty of precedent for this sort of thing in the West's industrial past. Being a fast-growing economy and also keeping a strict eye on product purity, has it ever successfully been done before? Not to say that as an excuse, but it's not at all an uncommon pattern.

Post by _AzMoo » Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:40 AM UTC

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All currently rich "sophisticated" countries were in a similar phase when they were fighting their way out of poverty. Once countries get rich enough, they can afford to care about the environment. China seems to advance much faster than others did historically, so I'm hopeful.

We also assumed as countries became more rich/industrialized/advanced they would become more democratic, and more concerned with human rights, and less zero-sum adversarial in dealing with the United States. I think those hopes are no longer mainstream thinking in regards to China. How confident should we be about the prediction that China will adopt similar policies to the US in regards to the things you are mention…

Post by killjoywashere » Thu, May 23, 2019, 4:48 AM UTC

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This is actually something Hank Paulson comments on in his book "Dealing with China": the Chinese have a huge government, but they actually have something like a half to a third as many government workers per capita. And their comms infrastructure, despite the Huewai bruhaha, is severely lacking in comparison, so those additional people don't stretch as far.

What about their comms infrastructure is lacking? I got full high-speed cellular internet reception even in the deep countryside when I visited there last year.