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Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by viivaux »

hallihax wrote: post #45
brohee wrote: post #31

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The idea that WL is responsible for Clinton's loss - rather than her being a terrible candidate - is laughable. To credit Assange with Trump's election is a complete joke - not least because the same people attacking him for releasing Clinton / Podesta / DNC emails have spent the past several years utterly failing to take stock of the reasons they lost. I say all this as a non-US observer. The US' media and political…

Seconded.

Meanwhile, there has been a simultaneous attack on outlets that might actually spit the truth out there: the recent "changes to Facebook's algorithm" resulting in outlets like MPN, Democracy Now, and Wikileaks go from regular 20k shares to the 7-900 range practically overnight is suspicious in the extreme.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by mc32 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #55
sedeki wrote: post #22

Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? Is it because Wikileaks revealed those Hillary Clinton emails? And that’s the ”protagonist” party? Or is it the rape accusations initiated in Sweden?

> Can someone explain to me why the general public has ”turned” on Assange in the last few years? I don't think the public has "turned" on him. (That is, I don't think he's more unpopular now than he was a year ago.) It's more like we forgot about him. That took away the teflon coating that let him escape international arrest warrants in a South American embassy, a privilege most of us wouldn't get. This story is bes…

I’m pretty sure just about everyone would interpret that as pre 2016 and post 2016 attitudes and not an arbitrary last year and this year.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by gnode »

IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #23

Because there are already various conspiracies being discussed in this thread, I'd like to invite you to entertain, just momentarily, the possibility that this is simply a functioning system of justice seeking to prosecute what they consider credible evidence of a crime. I know the tech community likes Assange, or at least liked Wikileaks as it was originally conceived. But here are some thoughts that you could maybe…

> Why would the Obama administration go through the risk and difficulty of organising a breathtaking conspiracy to get at him, yet commute Chelsea Manning's sentence?

Perhaps because the US political / justice / military intelligence system contains more people wielding power than just the president.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by tomp »

gsnedders wrote: post #69
tomp wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the law actually say so? To what extent does "rape by lying" exist? I imagine "I'm actually not a doctor" or "let me just remove my makeup" don't count... How about not paying a prostitute after sex (assuming prostitution is legal), does it count as rape (she consented to sex on the condition of paying) or just theft ? Are women that say they're on the pill but aren't, or that use the man's sperm to impregnate t…

> Does the law actually say so? Assange argued that the accused act would not be illegal under English law; the High Court disagreed (and hence the dual criminality test was fulfilled).

Which accused act? sex with a sleeping person or sex after sneakily removing the condom?

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by saagarjha »

olalonde wrote: post #51
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.

> If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy I had sex with a girl who lied about being on birth control. Was I raped?

I would say so: you only provided consent under certain conditions, but these ended up being violated.

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Post by lostjohnny »

computerfriend wrote: post #33
seanalltogether wrote: post #18

> “His attitude is that he is happy to cooperate with Sweden and that he wants to be interviewed and that he wants to clear his name,” Samuelson told Reuters. He spent how many years on both UK soil and then the Ecuadorean embassy to fight these Swedish allegations and now he's "happy to cooperate". He's imprisoned himself all these years for nothing.

This has always been his attitude; Sweden refused to interview him in the embassy.

Fact: Assange ran from Swedish justice

And that's for sure.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by ChrisSD »

computerfriend wrote: post #33
seanalltogether wrote: post #18

> “His attitude is that he is happy to cooperate with Sweden and that he wants to be interviewed and that he wants to clear his name,” Samuelson told Reuters. He spent how many years on both UK soil and then the Ecuadorean embassy to fight these Swedish allegations and now he's "happy to cooperate". He's imprisoned himself all these years for nothing.

This has always been his attitude; Sweden refused to interview him in the embassy.

I wouldn't say "always". For example, he left Sweden the day before he was due to be interviewed with a view to arrest.

It should also be noted that Assange was finally interviewed in 2016 by Ingrid Isgren.

Re: Sweden reopens Assange rape investigation, to seek extradition

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Post by lostjohnny »

mc32 wrote: post #64
mschuster91 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah because the second Assange had set foot outside the embassy, the UK cops would have arrested him. Even in a car / "diplomatic bag" the UK cops would have the right to search it for Assange, because, well, a smuggled body isn't exactly "articles intended for official use" (per Art. 27 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations).

I think they mean if he were their asset they’d trade horses like they usually do with assets.

Maybe US thought there was nothing to trade and that dealing with Assange in person would convince russians that he's not so valuable, even as an asset

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Post by gsnedders »

tomp wrote: post #74
gsnedders wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does the law actually say so? Assange argued that the accused act would not be illegal under English law; the High Court disagreed (and hence the dual criminality test was fulfilled).

Which accused act? sex with a sleeping person or sex after sneakily removing the condom ?

All four offences, including those two.
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