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Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #37

Blocking the greatest encyclopedia that ever existed is the best example of what this kind of censorship is .

Since Wikipedia can be dumped onto a memory card I am not sure how effective the ban is supposed to be. It will constrain its spread but it is very hard to block all means of transmission of information.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

#73
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More probably for the impending 30th anniversary of 1989 Tiananmen Square protests.

Were there protests in previous notable anniversaries?

Any attempt at any kind of protest in China is slammed on very swiftly. There have been attempts in the past eg by Falun Gong supporters at Tiananmen Square, but it’s usually all over in minutes as the area is heavily monitored. There is no real independent media, they all have embedded censors, so even when there is a protest it doesn’t get covered. What protests do occur are usually over local issues and foreign media occasionally manage to piece together the story after the fact.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #25

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Yes, but another way to look at it, does China's micromanagement of the domestic flow of information result in more or less prosperity for their people? To misquote Hayek: communism is ultimately like telling every car where they should go rather than just putting up street-signs. * Please add to the debate rather than down-voting. Also Hayek wasn't musing about future autonomous cars, its a metaphor about how decidi…

> communism is ultimately like telling every car where they should go rather than just putting up street-signs. Ironically, in the capitalist future, each car will decide where to go through a computer system controlled by a single company instead.

You will tell the car where you want to go. Thats a key difference.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #25

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> communism is ultimately like telling every car where they should go rather than just putting up street-signs. Ironically, in the capitalist future, each car will decide where to go through a computer system controlled by a single company instead.

Central control is efficient, if you can get the right signals to the controller, and do it fast enough to have a tight feedback loop. Humans alone can do none of this at scale, but modern computing can do the "feedback" part easily. It's now the "signals" and "controller" parts that need to be figured out.

Central control is efficient? Despite every government that tried to control the economy utterly failed? You will need to provide some solid source to claim this kind of things. The problem lies with the concept, not with how fast the loop happens.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

#76
post #23
post #20

Sigh and this is why plain text SNI is was not a good idea...

I was wondering what happens if you skip the SNI bit and just rely on the Host header in the data. Does that work?

You can only do that if you can present a single valid certificate for all of the hosts behind the IP address.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

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post #71
post #37

Blocking the greatest encyclopedia that ever existed is the best example of what this kind of censorship is .

Since Wikipedia can be dumped onto a memory card I am not sure how effective the ban is supposed to be. It will constrain its spread but it is very hard to block all means of transmission of information.

On the contrary it will be extremely effective at keeping 95% of the Chinese population ignorant of Wikipedia.

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

#79
post #35

Does wikipedia have any read only mirrors?

There's an IPFS mirror of English Wikipedia[0], as well as several others[1], though not the Chinese one[2]. It's currently not a particularly up-to-date mirror, though (from late 2016). [0] https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknFiJnKLwHCnL72vedxjQkDDP1m... [1] https://github.com/ipfs/distributed-wikipedia-mirror/blob/ma... [2] https://github.com/ipfs/distributed-wikipedia-mirror/issues/...

And I just tried. i It's blocked

Re: China is blocking all language editions of Wikipedia

#80
post #67

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In my experience zh.wikipedia.org is largely authored by Taiwanese residents. The quality is high but local narratives are often written with some bias not entirely unlike what one would expect from a displaced population resulting from a fairly recent civil war.

The English version of Wikipedia is not free of bias either. Wikipedia is not a source of truth for everything out there.

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