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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by c0nfused »

tzs wrote: post #38
jcfrei wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the newer 350kW charging stations you can charge up to 80% in about 15 minutes (ie. for a Model S battery). So not much more than filling up with gas. Granted cars which support this will be available at the earliest next year.

I think you are underestimating just how much energy is in a gallon of gas. In terms of miles per hour of charging or adding gas, gas is still massively faster. Tesla says the new charging stations are 1000 miles per hour. A gasoline car that gets 25 miles/gallon, at a gas station with pumps that go at 10 gallons per minutes, "charges" at 15000 miles per hour. (10 gallons per minute is the maximum allowed in the US d…

Tesla owner, the car does exactly what you expect in the second half of your comment. The idea is to plug in and then just leave the car do some stuff, then get a notification on your phone the charge is finishing soon. You throw out your half eaten taco Bell and go pick up the car.

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Post by milkytron »

razster wrote: post #65
bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

When did these issues start happening?

I own a 2009 rabbit and have no faced any issues beyond routine maintenance. Guess I should knock on wood.

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Post by milkytron »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #45
alkonaut wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There it’s a no brainer. If the game turns out to be great, the extra time required for them to produce another copy for you is zero. A car you can at least get a bit sooner by taking the gamble of preordering.

If you pre-order a bad game, you're maybe out $60 if your store doesn't let you refund the product. If you pre-order a bad car, the out of pocket cost is many times higher than that.

Very true, and the first generation of anything with mechanical components generally faces more issues compared to later generations and revisions. Getting a first generation car seems like a bad idea.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by mikeash »

blattimwind wrote: post #52
jaytaylor wrote: post #39

Based on th emissions scandal, I'm unlikely to ever consider a VW vehicle, period. Even though most of the auto industry is also full of dirty money grubbing scum. Not sure what the best move is, until giving it more thought I'm avoiding purchasing another vehicle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defeat_device#Timeline Good luck finding a car manufacturer that can deliver and isn't on that list.

Is Tesla too obvious to consider?

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Post by jvagner »

milkytron wrote: post #72
razster wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

When did these issues start happening? I own a 2009 rabbit and have no faced any issues beyond routine maintenance. Guess I should knock on wood.

I've owned many VWs and Audis, and the 2008 Jetta I bought (albeit with a manual transmission) is still going strong. Not a single service issue, to date. It must have almost 200K miles.

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Post by chaostheory »

electriclove wrote: post #46

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

> We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs.

I don't feel that this is a problem because of California laws regarding EVs, forcing every manufacturer to sell more EVs every year.

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Post by pcardoso »

razster wrote: post #65
bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Owned a 2001 Jetta. The number of parts I had to replace became more than the cars worth. I will never own a VW anything because of the terrible reliability.

I had a multiple VWs, including an 2001 Bora TDI (the EU name of the Jetta) and they were very reliable. Still, some cars are born a lemon.

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

electriclove wrote: post #46

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

>I hope they sell a ton

They plan to reach 300K annual production capacity by 2021, IIRC. This is less than Tesla' _current_ run rate for the Model 3.

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Post by vinay427 »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #42
adamvalve wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the interior is anything like my Tiguan... I would greatly prefer my Model 3 any day. I don't think the ID3 is going to come with a premium interior... haven't seen any photos of it so I could be wrong.

I might be mistaken, but it's a 20k euro price difference isn't it? I'd hope the Model 3 has at least a nicer interior to justify the cost.

You may have missed the context in the comment they replied to. I don't believe anything in the comment you replied to contradicts what you said.

> Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by SEJeff »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #78
electriclove wrote: post #46

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

>I hope they sell a ton They plan to reach 300K annual production capacity by 2021, IIRC. This is less than Tesla' _current_ run rate for the Model 3.

Which hovers around 5000-6000 / week. The "2018" bloomberg model 3 tracker stays pretty up to date, and also still falls right inline with numbers they release at the ends of their fiscal quarters:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-tesla-tracker/

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