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A World Run with Code

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Re: A World Run with Code

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Wolfram might be a genius, but I personally find his writing and lectures extremely dull. The only thing he seems to write is how everything is "computational", and how we need to embrace his idea that computing is what the whole universe is about. For example in this blog post alone, we can find this following word count: computer - 19x computation* - 96x computational - 63x Make everything computational! computatio…

Welcome to Stephen Wolfram. Wolfram is madly in love with his own ideas, even when those ideas are not nearly as original or world-shakingly profound as he seems to think they are. That he is a genius does not mean he is not in a state of arrested development; prodigious genius like his can impede one's development because people around the genius are so in awe of them that they are unwilling to give them the much-ne…

That reminds me of the movie "Bohemian Rhapsody" where Freddy Mercury splits off from Queen to write music independently.

But he returns saying:

"I went to Munich. I hired a bunch of guys. I told them exactly what I wanted them to do... and the problem was... they did it. No pushback from Roger. None of your rewrites. None of his funny looks. I need you. And you need me."

Re: A World Run with Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the same vein, "Human intelligence" led to the 2008 crash. Human's aren't infallible either. My problem with this argument is that there is no logical basis for how exactly human intelligence is different. Computers aren't there yet in most domains, but there is no evidence to say they can't get there. How soon is anybody's guess right now. While AGI might be far off, I can certainly imagine computers running larg…

I read once that a soldier in Russia was supposed to fire off nuclear warheads once when faulty sensors erroneously indicated that America had already done so. Had the system been a mathematical contract, we would all be dead. Instead, a hero determined sat pondering whether he should do it and then realized the sensors had to have been defective as he wasn't dead yet.

You're probably thinking of Stanislav Petrov: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

Re: A World Run with Code

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I find Stephen Wolfram to be a an interesting person. On one hand, he is undeniably exceptional and created an impressive computational system. On the other hand, the "Wolfram language" is really a pretty poor design as far as programming languages go, and would not even be noticed if it wasn't for the giant standard library that gets shipped with it, called Mathematica. I use the "Wolfram language" because I have to…

It's quite clear what he is saying. Programming languages are what programmers use. And how programmers think is dominated by how a computer works, which is usually a gigantic distraction to actually solving real world problems. Newton, Maxwell and Einstein didn't need to waste any of their time thinking about how to use a computer to solve the problems they worked on. If I ask Google for the 2018 Wimbledon Champ it…

I think you make a great point, but that’s a bad example. Google shows the champions in response to that query, separate from the results. They show the results as well because of some combination of inertia and users wanting more info.

Re: A World Run with Code

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Wolfram might be a genius, but I personally find his writing and lectures extremely dull. The only thing he seems to write is how everything is "computational", and how we need to embrace his idea that computing is what the whole universe is about. For example in this blog post alone, we can find this following word count: computer - 19x computation* - 96x computational - 63x Make everything computational! computatio…

I do hope somebody who can write is reading his stuff carefully or at least insightfully. He seems like a great character to inhabit a science-fiction story. It would be a pity not to see him there.

Re: A World Run with Code

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Wolfram might be a genius, but I personally find his writing and lectures extremely dull. The only thing he seems to write is how everything is "computational", and how we need to embrace his idea that computing is what the whole universe is about. For example in this blog post alone, we can find this following word count: computer - 19x computation* - 96x computational - 63x Make everything computational! computatio…

That this ad hominem attack is the top voted really illustrates the deterioration of the community here.

You've added nothing of value.

Re: A World Run with Code

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to Stephen Wolfram. Wolfram is madly in love with his own ideas, even when those ideas are not nearly as original or world-shakingly profound as he seems to think they are. That he is a genius does not mean he is not in a state of arrested development; prodigious genius like his can impede one's development because people around the genius are so in awe of them that they are unwilling to give them the much-ne…

It's very hard to teach someone whose cup is full. Very smart people can rationalize their bad ideas faster than other people can talk them out of them. But that doesn't mean you've actually explained yourself. If you can't explain things to other people, do you really understand it yourself? At this point Wolfram is lost to us. "What the hell are you talking about, Steve?". I was just fantasizing about resurrecting…

> If you can't explain things to other people, do you really understand it yourself?

I hear this said every now and then and I don’t think I agree with it.

A lot of knowledge builds on other knowledge. And the other knowledge might be required in order to understand the knowledge that one wishes to share.

So then either you have to explain it all, or you will have to simplify dramatically.

Few people will want the full explanation — it would take much more time to explain than they would ever want to spend listening. And I am not saying that to criticize those people. The same goes for myself — there are very many things I wish I could understand deeply. But there simply is not enough time. Specialization is necessary. We must pick the few things that interest or have the most use to us, if we wish to have a chance to truly understand any topic deeply at all. And even in the topics we choose there will be a lot of subtopics that we won’t ever have time to understand as fully as we would desire.

Even if they did want to listen the amount of information could be so huge that it might take several years to explain all of it. And so it can’t be done.

So instead we have to simplify. A lot. Unfortunately, when we simplify we often end up skipping crucial information and might even communicate the knowledge wrongly. In the cases where at least we don’t communicate it wrongly there is still a significant risk I think that one or several of

- the truth,

- the value, and/or

- the utility

of the knowledge we try to share is not possible to see without a lot of context that would take too much time to explain.

I have seen time and time again other people jump from

- the fact that someone was unable to explain something in a satisfying way

to

- concluding that the person that tried to explain it doesn’t himself/herself understand it

When really I think the real conclusion should instead be that it is impossible to determine at that present time whether what is being said is correct. But that neither means that the other person doesn’t know, nor that they do know!

I think the fundamental problem is that we keep insisting that things should be simple when the reality of the matter is that they just aren’t. Or perhaps there is some simpler answer but the only path known by the person to understanding the knowledge they possess is based on the knowledge they learned before they learned the knowledge in question. Then it could be possible for that person to boil it down to something that does indeed both hold truth and is simple to explain. And perhaps that it is what it means to understand something at the deepest possible level — to have the explanation worked out so that it builds on the fewest and most simple prior knowledge required. But to sit down and make those simplifications could also take years. And unless it is the job or the desire of the person holding the knowledge to spend all of that time they could spend on other things just to work out the simplest possible explanation of the knowledge then it won’t make sense for them to do so.

There are a few things more I would like to say about my thoughts on this too but I think this comment of mine has probably turned into a big wall of text already. So instead I will conclude with saying that I think that the ability of one person to explain something to someone else

- relies on their own understanding yes

but

- it relies to a much greater extent on the amount of knowledge that both parties already share

and

- a lot of things in daily life builds on things we all know already, and does not extend it too much, so it is quick to explain and simple to understand

but

- some knowledge is so far removed from shared knowledge, at least by the path to it known by the person trying to explain it, that it is for all practical purposes impossible for that person to explain to the other

Re: A World Run with Code

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If anyone is interested, Wolfram does what he calls “Live CEOing”, and streams his sprints on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/WolframResearch

These sessions are streamed live on Twitch, too.

These sessions are vastly interesting. I think many commenters here should listen-in sometime.

The Wolfram Language is hard because mapping knowledge is hard.

What many people here call "ego" is one guy, and his talented team, tackling an enormous problem nobody has licked. So far.

Re: A World Run with Code

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Wolfram might be a genius, but I personally find his writing and lectures extremely dull. The only thing he seems to write is how everything is "computational", and how we need to embrace his idea that computing is what the whole universe is about. For example in this blog post alone, we can find this following word count: computer - 19x computation* - 96x computational - 63x Make everything computational! computatio…

That this ad hominem attack is the top voted really illustrates the deterioration of the community here. You've added nothing of value.

I mean, did you either?

Re: A World Run with Code

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That last perspective is the most important one. I've known a few genius-ish people, and I recently had a jarring experience where one of them who's a bit older and retired, but definitely not mentally ill or demented, had gone off the cliff of believing in all kinds of crazy alien/government conspiracy theories and started working on some free-energy device, etc. At first I found it shocking that he was being so com…

Linus Pauling was a bona fide genius; he won a Nobel for his pioneering research in to chemical bonds, made important contributions to our understanding of crystalline structures and various proteins, helped explain the the molecular genetic cause of sickle cell anemia, etc, etc. He was a giant of science and will always be remembered as such. But he also spent the last thirty years of his career refining and attempt…

He also put the equivalent of a scientific hit out on Shechtman for quasicrystals

Re: A World Run with Code

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I had this thought when I was 13 and first learned the basics of programming "hey dad if everything is determined by physics and chemistry and computers are real good at math can't we analytically deduce the future." I eventually learned this was just the 13 year old's version of "why's the sky blue?" into "but why is Rayleigh scattering a thing?" and there are several limitations to both human understanding of scien…

He did pay nice respects to Solomon Golomb (whose death anniversary was two days ago) so I’ll give him that.

https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2016/05/solomon-golomb-19322...

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