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Re: EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants

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Post by repolfx » Sun, May 05, 2019, 8:58 AM UTC

dfrage wrote: post #65

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The UK had a small but modern computer industry in the 1980s, via Acorn and the resulting ARM chips that are world-beating today. It also had firms like RIM, Sinclair etc. Until ARM was sold to SoftBank it was the primary British high tech computer firm. Little known fact - ARM is one of the very few European tech firms that incentivised its employees with equity sharing. It was and still is standard for firms outsid…

How much of Acorn even having a chance is consistent with your correct as far as I know history of the British economy, with socialism only being (partly) rolled back by Thatcher? I'd also note that Apple et. al. were also subject to similar macroeconomic headwinds, although our inflation rate's peak was "only" 15%. Bad luck indeed, although looking at the details of e.g. the Acorn Electron which had that production…

Radio Shack was pretty big in the UK. I remember them having stores when I was a kid.

I think the general macro-economic and social conditions may explain why Acorn was rare, whereas the US birthed many such companies. But then again, the UK has less than a quarter of the population of the USA, so presumably that right there should slash the number of companies.

I've also done a focus switch in this discussion, from all of Europe to just the UK. The rest of Europe was still very messed up outside of west Germany and the small northern states, either dictatorships, or just exited from dictatorship, or were France:

https://uramericansinparis.wordpress.com/2010/12/15/france-i...

West Germany gave birth to SAP in 1972, UK gave birth to Acorn and a few other small computer firms that didn't really make it, only SAP and ARM still survive and only one independent. I don't know of any big French tech firms from this era, but maybe there is one.

So I guess Acorn and maybe SAP are the exceptions that highlight just how dire conditions were in most of Europe at this time.

Re: EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants

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Post by d33 » Sun, May 05, 2019, 4:23 PM UTC

rasz wrote: post #67

d33 wrote: post #53

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I found it quite surprising and decided to double-check. This source doesn't seem to agree if I'm reading it right: https://saveyourinternet.eu/pl/ Could you let me know where you have this information from?

you are right, I was missing Danuta Jazłowiecka (PO) so the final list is 7 for Article 13

Either of us is reading it backwards - for example, Michał Boni is "green" in both "Vote on Possibility to Change the Final Text" and "Final Vote on Copyright Directive". Doesn't it mean he opposed it? Or is the first list of yours referring to a third voting, not mentioned on the website?

Re: EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants

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Post by rasz » Sun, May 05, 2019, 9:57 PM UTC

d33 wrote: post #72

rasz wrote: post #67

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you are right, I was missing Danuta Jazłowiecka (PO) so the final list is 7 for Article 13

Either of us is reading it backwards - for example, Michał Boni is "green" in both "Vote on Possibility to Change the Final Text" and "Final Vote on Copyright Directive". Doesn't it mean he opposed it? Or is the first list of yours referring to a third voting, not mentioned on the website?

First list is "September 12 vote", the very first ACTA 2 one.

Just for reference, official PO party twitter posted this https://twitter.com/platforma_org/status/1015184834623365120 "No to ACTA" in July, and in 2012 Tusk (very same from main topic, head of PO) officially announced Polish position as "categorical YES to ACTA, nothing will change our mind" https://www.tvn24.pl/wiadomosci-z-kraju,3/premier-podpiszemy...

PO party is a Platform of corruption and lies, they used to change tune every poll/elections and are implicated in every major corruption scandal to date.

Re: EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants

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Post by Mirioron » Mon, May 06, 2019, 12:46 AM UTC

zamalek wrote: post #50

viraptor wrote: post #44

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What specifically do you have in mind? I mean, it's easy to ask this in general, but what do you think needs changing?

If they want EU citizens to enjoy the fantastic EU privacy protections via EU tech giants, they need to have a beneficial legislative ecosystem. GDPR needs work (as only the giants can afford more than zero breaches, which are an unfortunate reality for every company at some point) and their shiny new copyright law is outright fatal to startups. EU legislation has a very clear message: start your tech company elsewhe…

I wholeheartedly agree with this. I think people don't quite understand the extent of GDPR. Hurting start ups and hobby projects that might make some money on the side means that you'll have fewer successful businesses down the line. It also means that you'll have fewer qualified workers.

The problem in the EU is that GDPR isn't the first such signal the EU has sent either. The cookie law was a signal that indicated that the EU regulates things without understanding what they're doing. The data retention act from over a decade ago was similar. I'm sure there were others even before that, but probably on a national level.

Re: EU's Tusk warns of risks in rise of U.S. tech giants

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Post by djohnston » Thu, May 09, 2019, 6:42 PM UTC

m0zg wrote: post #69

johannes1234321 wrote: post #68

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> You don't pay that much less for healthcare. Remember, it's not the government that's paying for it, it's _you_ paying, with your taxes Well, if I look at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_h... per capita is almost double to many European countries. But even then comparison is hard, since treatments etc. differ. > And with a fat $200K+ paycheck student debt goes away in a few years, if you…

Sure, but as a SWE you're making 3 times as much and paying half as much in taxes. You have to take that into account when deciding which is better for you economically, and it won't be in Europe's favor.

3x and .5x in US taxes are pretty hefty exaggerations, but I agree, financially you're better off working in the US. that being said, im moving to the UK for a year or two with the intent of traveling a lot through Europe, so there are other considerations that may sway your decisions :)