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Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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This is my idea, happy to see someone had the same one and decided to implement it!

There are two major things I run into: figuring out the minimum knowledge needed to understand a certain thing, and deciding what to work on to further our knowledge and help everyone.

- My knowledge is quite specialized (I didn't have broad foundations), so sometimes it's hard to get into something. I know that I'm missing knowledge, but it takes forever to try and get from "I know how if statements and databases work" to making sense of a symbolic formula that might depend on set theory. If something could tell me "read these two pages and you've bridged the gap" (because the paper is about topic X and I already know topics Y and Z, so I only need those two to bridge my gap), that would be so much faster than googling "what's that sideways chandelier" and figuring out that it's set theory that I'm missing. There could even be circular branches between topics: someone who knows set theory can use that to understand databases more quickly than someone who does not, and vice versa. Posts explaining set theory for database users and vice versa could exist. But that's a lot of manual work to create each possible explanation, not sure that's viable, even if it has to be done only once.

- Related to the previous point, bridging knowledge gaps is currently done by asking questions. If you can ask another human a question, they can give an answer that perfectly fits your knowledge gap. That way of learning is much more efficient (for the student) than trying to give a workshop on the topic for a group of people. If we can do it as described in the previous point, we can free up a lot of resources that are now spent on having people tell the same things in slightly different form over and over again. Things need to be taught only once.

- When hiring, how can you tell if someone has the right knowledge for the job? Even a full day of testing can't tell you whether someone really understands all aspects of software engineering that are relevant for your organisation. If you can tick boxes on all the topics you understand, job matching might become much easier. Employers can request people with certain knowledge, and job seekers might get the jobs most in reach, e.g. "if you learn about these two topics, you are fit for this job" (on a technical level, at least). You'll still have to test that someone actually understands a topic (or have some trusted testing third party), but verifying a claim by asking randomly about a few topics is much easier than asking about everything.

- Our society demands ever more educated people. If you didn't have a lot of schooling, it can be hard to know what you are missing that companies are looking for. A message like "learn these three things and unlock this profession" might help a lot of people. (In the optimistic case, that is. It'll also cause people to reject candidates that are otherwise great because they're missing a topic. But at the start of a project like this, I'm just exploring the potential, not thinking about all the ways it could fail.)

- You can find who has certain knowledge within (or outside) your organisation to help with a project.

- At the leaves of the tree, you can find a topic to work on next, to further our understanding of the world. People can ask for certain issues to be solved or results to be confirmed and pay people to do that. Right now, our knowledge as a species is quite scattered and often hard to find.

I'm excited to see an attempt at starting that knowledge tree and am very curious to see which of the above points can really be done with it!

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Jude CEO and Founder of Golden here. Super excited to take this live. We are out to build the next place for canonical knowledge on the Internet. It has been a long-term mission for me to open up the knowledge coverage of billions of niche topics, companies, technologies and new concepts. Our aim is to cover in excess of 10bn topics in high detail over time. Although we all love Wikipedia, there have been various iss…

Just reading the article I am extremely interested in the Advanced Query search. Bravo on allowing the user to decide how they search(unlike some products). It's something I have been waiting for years. What I would like to see next is the ability to mark items that should be excluded from the search. Usually when I am doing a long complicated and unpredictable search for information, I will go down rabbit holes and…

Hi, Jed from Golden here. I'm obviously biased, but our query tool is really powerful. :) You can both include specific things in your search, but also exclude specific things. For example, show me companies that went through an accelerator, is in FinTech, but not based in the US or UK. Happy to talk through specific use cases - feel free to reach out directly - jed@golden.com

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Cynical self: They raised a $5mil round just to re-do wikipedia with more self-referential VC pats on the back.

Intrigued self: If there is anything worth raising money for, it is building out a collective knowledge base for all of humanity.

Angry self: Wikipedia is quite literally one of the most amazing things that the internet and millions of strangers have ever produced together, and lives as a vital proof of concept of a collaborative process on a scale not seen before. If you are interested in making wikipedia more useful with more linking on in-depth knowledge, more multimedia, and a richer UI for editing, why not build something that builds on wikipedia instead of building something entirely new?

Academic self: You are throwing out ideas like "cover all topics that exist" and "neutral objectivity" as if entire fields of human inquiry don't exist into what those things even mean. You seem to dislike the current editorial standards of wikipedia, but I'm not at all clear where Golden will draw its lines or how?

Also, what are your thoughts on the morality of essentially crowdsourcing all the input that you will feed to your query engines and profit off people using? Aren't you essentially making your contributors all unpaid workers? If you are serious about building out a for-profit version of wikipedia, why not figure out ways to distribute micropayments based on how useful others find the information someone took the time to contribute (as an example)

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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The content is on CC4.0 and not going to be paywalled.

It seems like you're putting the text out under CC-4.0-BY-SA [1] (Attribution, Share-Alike), which is great (the updated version of the same copyright for Wikipedia content). However, you're also collecting a TON of structured and relational data, which seems to be the value generated by your editor. Are you planning on keeping that locked up? [1]: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0

My hope is that all the content, not just prose, will be CC licensed. Jude, will it be so?

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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So far looks like tools for companies & pro research, like their query builder. Will be interesting to see if it scales up...

Being able to provide a query engine that can combine general knowledge with trade secret / internal knowledge will be a huge step for chatbot engines or other document retrieval. Cool project.

You can already do that with Wikidata.

Edit: and before that, with Freebase (which was later merged in Wikidata).

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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One reason why I like contributing to Wikipedia is because it feels like I'm contributing to the knowledge-base for all of humanity. Why should I spend my time working on a VC-funded version instead of at a non-profit? VC companies go bust all the time. I would have little share in the governance. Plus, it seems like you all are using public labor for private profit. That all said, more knowledge is better than less.…

Same here. Why should I contribute to Golden for free, where people have to pay to make queries, when I can do the same with Wikidata, which is queryable by anyone?

Jude from Golden here. Good question. We are opening up useful queries over time for users eg https://golden.com/y-combinator-w19-companies/ Future paid/business tools will include using our AI assisted editor for private companies, private storage of their knowledge so we can continue to open up more queries to the public. Our north star is to get to a more open knowledge base than what is currently available. Also here are all the cryptocurrency projects that have whitepapers https://golden.com/cryptocurrency-whitepapers/

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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> Today, we have a great opportunity to use new technologies to solve the problems: […] real identity […] > Join Golden > First Name Last Name Yeah, no. A “real names” policy is a really terrible idea , for reasons outlined here: https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Re...

(former wikimedia employee here)

A real names policy also means it'll have essentially no Japanese content. Online psudonyms, or anonymous editing are the norm in Japan.

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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One reason why I like contributing to Wikipedia is because it feels like I'm contributing to the knowledge-base for all of humanity. Why should I spend my time working on a VC-funded version instead of at a non-profit? VC companies go bust all the time. I would have little share in the governance. Plus, it seems like you all are using public labor for private profit. That all said, more knowledge is better than less.…

Between the politics (both internal and external) around Wikipedia, I gave up as an editor years ago. To me it sounds like Golden actually wants to be a repository of all information, rather than a byzantine bureaucracy that pretends to play encyclopedia.

Jude from Golden here. I'd love to get your feedback on the editor and fix any bugs you come across / comparisons of previous experiences and why you gave up. You can email me at jude [at] golden [dot] com or post it here...

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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How will you handle people that want to add knowledge that isn't accurate such as flat-Earthers, anti-vaxxers, etc? Seems like only a matter of time until you're overrun with contentious and vocal minorities that have nothing better to do than undermine our species longterm survival.

Jude from Golden here. Great question. We are actively monitoring all the changes right now, building up the community with a scientific/industrial focused seed and building out UI and AI to track the flat earth type changes that might come up in future. I think if we can get transparency on their best arguments/evidence and see the best counters it is going to become clear that the earth is round in that example. Le…

This approach may work with natural sciences, but what about political topics? People who spent most time studying an ideology X, are in some sense the best available experts (they remember thousands of details), but are far from impartial. And of course, ideologies may try to call themselves "science", making it seem like people who disagree are simply uneducated.

Re: Golden: Mapping human knowledge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just reading the article I am extremely interested in the Advanced Query search. Bravo on allowing the user to decide how they search(unlike some products). It's something I have been waiting for years. What I would like to see next is the ability to mark items that should be excluded from the search. Usually when I am doing a long complicated and unpredictable search for information, I will go down rabbit holes and…

Hi, Jed from Golden here. I'm obviously biased, but our query tool is really powerful. :) You can both include specific things in your search, but also exclude specific things. For example, show me companies that went through an accelerator, is in FinTech, but not based in the US or UK. Happy to talk through specific use cases - feel free to reach out directly - jed@golden.com

The real limit is the quality of the data. Wikidata’s (free) query tool is quite powerful but if the knowledge subject you’re interested in is poorly defined the query engine can’t help.
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