UK police secretly downloading content from suspects’ phones (2018)

Post by clubm8 » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:55 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #22

ksajadi wrote: post #19

When back in the early 00's the UK wanted to introduce a picture ID card, there were huge protests across the country that resulted in the scheme being shelved indefinitely. It took the UK years to even introduce a picture driving license (you might have seen the "counterpart" old driving licenses which were in use until very recently. They were a single A4 sheet with no picture on it). How ironic that despite the co…

Well..CCTV cameras caught the 2005 bomber's at King's Cross Station and helped establish their identities and their full itinerary when cross-referenced with other CCTV videos

Post by jMyles » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

catoc wrote: post #41

jMyles wrote: post #27

Surely whatever mechanism they are using cannot overcome device encryption?

Last I heard (see source) is that they can bypass the pinlock delay, making brute-force entry much more efficient. If you use a numeric pincode, even if 8 digits, "breaking the encryption" is well within their reach. If you use an alphanumeric+symbols password that 8 characters or longer, brute-forcing rapidly becomes impossible, even for cellebrite. A running, unlocked phone may be hacked by zero days. Encryption at…

Post by somebodythere » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:23 PM UTC

shrimp_emoji wrote: post #72

avery-dawn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn't mean its worth it. Just the presence of surveillance alone discourages criminals from acting in the first place. Without any surveillance, I don't think criminal activity will increase by just .000001%.

In the case of (PUBLIC) meatspace, physical surveillance (e.g., cameras), I'm onboard with the Big Brother panopticon state. Bad, meaningful stuff happens in meatspace, like explosions. When it comes to cyberspace, digital surveillance, I fled Windows for Linux and read /r/StallmanWasRight. Bad stuff happens in cyberspace, but none of it is meaningful enough to me to warrant the limitations to privacy that we endure…

Post by Silhouette » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:51 PM UTC

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #21

ksajadi wrote: post #19

When back in the early 00's the UK wanted to introduce a picture ID card, there were huge protests across the country that resulted in the scheme being shelved indefinitely. It took the UK years to even introduce a picture driving license (you might have seen the "counterpart" old driving licenses which were in use until very recently. They were a single A4 sheet with no picture on it). How ironic that despite the co…

>How ironic that despite the continued protests against picture ID cards based on privacy concerns, the UK is the most watched country based on the number of CCTV cameras per square mile, and now this. It's because people have given up hope of winning the war against the surveillance state but they still feel like they can opportunistically win a few battles.

Post by jedharris » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 6:11 PM UTC

barry-cotter wrote: post #64

lenkite wrote: post #53

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Who's asking everyone to report suspicious behaviour ? You have raised a _strawman_ argument. Automatic surveillance of public property and public spaces is in my opinion necessary for analysis, investigation and prosecution of terrorists. This must be done by career intelligence folks not by amateurs.

Pervasive surveillance will inevitably lead to machine learning techniques being used to analyse the data which will massively increase the rates of false positives, people who aren’t a threat but who the system flags as potential threats. Freedom and security trade off against one another.