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Re: MuseNet

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Post by BowBun » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:34 PM UTC

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

Fear not, my friend, because the execution is only a part of why music and art as a whole carries meaning for us.

Consider two tracks that are identical (forget copywrite for a minute). Between one that an AI generated and a human composed, I would personally grant the human-generated version more credit and enjoy it more. The story of how art is created and the stories of the artist are as substantial to appreciating art as a stroke of a brush or a note on a page. Computers will never replicate this until singularity.

Re: MuseNet

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Post by 2bitencryption » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:35 PM UTC

Areading314 wrote: post #26

This may be academically interesting, but the music still sounds fake enough to be unpleasant (i.e. there's no way I'd spend any time listening to this voluntarily).

I disagree with this: some of the stuff being played live on Twitch right now I would definitely voluntarily listen to, especially if it was actually performed by people with real instruments and not just midi.

There was a baroque-pop song just now that had a ritardando that almost gave me chills. Probably copied from Chopin, but still.

Re: MuseNet

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Post by bredren » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:36 PM UTC

fastball wrote: post #50

wilg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe more interesting for video games, where you can have a realtime input of gameplay variables.

That could be very interesting. Every gameplay a different soundtrack. Sounds fun.

Contrast with this very human representation of writing gameplay musical scores. Including the simple chart used to show segued clips.

http://www.audiogang.org/chance-thomas-composer-of-dota-2s-2...

Re: MuseNet

#74

Post by arcticfox » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:40 PM UTC

BowBun wrote: post #71

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

Fear not, my friend, because the execution is only a part of why music and art as a whole carries meaning for us. Consider two tracks that are identical (forget copywrite for a minute). Between one that an AI generated and a human composed, I would personally grant the human-generated version more credit and enjoy it more. The story of how art is created and the stories of the artist are as substantial to appreciatin…

First of all, I disagree with this premise, as the overwhelming majority of music either (1) doesn't have a particular story behind it at all or (2) becomes popular, and then people learn the story behind it.

Even accepting the premise, what happens when the next artist with a great story is simply using MuseNet to write their emotional pieces and passing it off as human? They'll be functionally the same, yet it still feels like something was lost.

Re: MuseNet

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Post by NoInputSignal » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:43 PM UTC

BowBun wrote: post #71

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

Fear not, my friend, because the execution is only a part of why music and art as a whole carries meaning for us. Consider two tracks that are identical (forget copywrite for a minute). Between one that an AI generated and a human composed, I would personally grant the human-generated version more credit and enjoy it more. The story of how art is created and the stories of the artist are as substantial to appreciatin…

I think that when placed against each other in this hypothetical, yes one would naturally side with a human (even if it is just out of solidarity), but what about when humans (who already claim the fame from songs written by other humans) claim the fame for song written by computers--that have no legal recourse? Would we just assume the music claimed by a human, was originated by a human?

Re: MuseNet

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Post by return1 » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:43 PM UTC

Areading314 wrote: post #26

This may be academically interesting, but the music still sounds fake enough to be unpleasant (i.e. there's no way I'd spend any time listening to this voluntarily).

agreed, it captures mostly rhythmical elements which make it sound "like some music" but it tends to sound like a broken record soon. Maybe its decoder was not designed to capture very long-term dependencies and that makes it sound so "myopic". It s very promising though and it seems in the future we 'll have half-decent pieces suitable e.g. for background music.

Re: MuseNet

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Post by rambojazz » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:46 PM UTC

Is this open source?

Re: MuseNet

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Post by 01100011 » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:48 PM UTC

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

It's probably only a matter of time before we have a GauGAN like interface for synthetic music creation...so you could say 'i want a sad song with a soft intro and a buildup of tension here with lyrics covering these emotions and things which lasts 7 minutes'.

ML/DL is coming for a lot of the grunt work. It's coming for us as programmers as well. It's probably a few years away, but ML/DL

Re: MuseNet

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Post by harigov » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:50 PM UTC

BowBun wrote: post #71

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

Fear not, my friend, because the execution is only a part of why music and art as a whole carries meaning for us. Consider two tracks that are identical (forget copywrite for a minute). Between one that an AI generated and a human composed, I would personally grant the human-generated version more credit and enjoy it more. The story of how art is created and the stories of the artist are as substantial to appreciatin…

What makes you think that a computer that can generate music cannot also generate a background for the "creator" of that music? It can give you all the stories that touch our hearts even more so than we can imagine.

Re: MuseNet

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Post by lucidrains » Thu, Apr 25, 2019, 7:54 PM UTC

01100011 wrote: post #78

codelitt wrote: post #64

While this may not be perfect composition, this is a surreal (and almost sad) moment in my life to hear music that is passable created by a computer under it's own volition. I work at a company that works with a lot of machine learning so I generally understand its limitations and haven't ever been an alarmist. That being said, I generally always thought of it being applied to automate work. For some reason I had alw…

It's probably only a matter of time before we have a GauGAN like interface for synthetic music creation...so you could say 'i want a sad song with a soft intro and a buildup of tension here with lyrics covering these emotions and things which lasts 7 minutes'. ML/DL is coming for a lot of the grunt work. It's coming for us as programmers as well. It's probably a few years away, but ML/DL

Given how easy it is to train a Transformer on any sequence data, and given how plentiful open source code is, I'd say "CodeNet" is probably less than a year away. OpenAI will probably do it first given they already have the setup.