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Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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It's so weird how US mass media refuses to name/identify some offenders but identifies some offenders by their identities. If some black youth engage in gunplay the headlines read "5 Chicagoans gunned down", if some Chinese scam an Apple store it's "Oregon Students defraud apple store", if a Somali joins ISIS the story goes to press as "Minneapolis Man joins ISIS" or "Another person from Rep. Omar's district joins IS…

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Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

#72

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So you're fine as long as racism is only directed towards races other than your own?

Chinese is a nationality or citizenship status. If the focus were reporting han chinese then it would enter the territory of racism.

Let's go with the term bigotry in response to this throw-away objection.

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When worked as technical support we had some large banks as customers who insisted everyone who worked their cases be US citizens. We worked with some semi sensitive technical data, but nothing directly banking related. A few banks required drug and credit checks (the credit checks were just dumb). Amusingly they were happy to hire on connected people in less friendly nations when operating overseas. I think the citi…

> credit checks (the credit checks were just dumb). Credit checks are extremely smart. People who are financially vulnerable are high risk.

A credit check is basically relevant to any job. If you can't be trusted to pay back your loans on time as promised how can you be trusted to do your job as promised?

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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> credit checks (the credit checks were just dumb). Credit checks are extremely smart. People who are financially vulnerable are high risk.

A credit check is basically relevant to any job. If you can't be trusted to pay back your loans on time as promised how can you be trusted to do your job as promised?

That sounds like it would produce pretty vicious cycle.

Bad credit, can't get job... can't get job, can't improve credit...

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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Well considering this is the same country who interned 110,000 Americans of Japanese descent all due to hysteria.

Stop acting like something that happened nearly 80 years ago is relevant today. Did we go crazy and lock up every Muslim after 9-11? That was a different time, a great deal of progress has been made since then. Sometimes I think too much progress as we are unwilling to be tough against those who seek to do us harm.

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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> credit checks (the credit checks were just dumb). Credit checks are extremely smart. People who are financially vulnerable are high risk.

A credit check is basically relevant to any job. If you can't be trusted to pay back your loans on time as promised how can you be trusted to do your job as promised?

This would be hard to argue against if credit scores were accurate. They're not exactly pseudoscience, but they're still far from perfect.

When I was buying my house, I was building up and paying off ~$500 across 4 credit cards (one for Home Depot, one for Uber, etc.) I paid them down to $0 every month.

I'd consider that behavior to be financially smart. I got discounts of 5% on all those purchases because of the perks of the cards.

I was shocked by the score the bank had given me, since I do monitor my credit. They told me I had to stop using all those cards. I did, and my score went up 100 points instantly.

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

Genetically, most Indians are more closely related to Europeans than to East Asians. And East Asians are more closely related to Native Americans than to Indians.

E.g. https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/53636/online-phy...

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

#78

Well considering this is the same country who interned 110,000 Americans of Japanese descent all due to hysteria.

I do think that was a huge over-reaction, particularly in retrospect, but you can't chalk it up entirely to hysteria considering it happened in the aftermath of the Niihau incident.

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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It's so weird how US mass media refuses to name/identify some offenders but identifies some offenders by their identities. If some black youth engage in gunplay the headlines read "5 Chicagoans gunned down", if some Chinese scam an Apple store it's "Oregon Students defraud apple store", if a Somali joins ISIS the story goes to press as "Minneapolis Man joins ISIS" or "Another person from Rep. Omar's district joins IS…

But, how local should we get with descriptors? If the issue is about corporate espionage, then the culprit's nationality might be very relevant. However, I'm not sure focusing on ethnicity adds much in your first example. As a counterpoint, when someone ODs in West Virginia, should we report: white, middle-aged person dies of overdose? Another example: white male CEO commits fraud.

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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Well considering this is the same country who interned 110,000 Americans of Japanese descent all due to hysteria.

Stop acting like something that happened nearly 80 years ago is relevant today. Did we go crazy and lock up every Muslim after 9-11? That was a different time, a great deal of progress has been made since then. Sometimes I think too much progress as we are unwilling to be tough against those who seek to do us harm.

> Sometimes I think too much progress as we are unwilling to be tough against those who seek to do us harm.

We invaded a whole country (Afghanistan), sent many to places like Guantanamo Bay, and bombed them throughout Africa and the Middle East. What more do you want?

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