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Israel’s Beresheet Spacecraft Moon Landing Attempt Appears to End in Crash

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Article subtitle: "The failure of the landing highlighted the risks of a fast and cheap approach to space exploration."

I would say the opposite. Not specifically just in reference to this mission but in general. They now have a lot of experience and data to use going forward for "not much" expense. A lot of extremely expensive missions were lost because they didn't have the opportunity to iterate.

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It's hard to conjure much sympathy for a nationalistic boondoggle with little scientific value that's trying to participate in a space race that ended decades ago. Now, instead of a flag, they have a commemorative crater in the desert. Talk about symbolism...

This project wasn't started by the state or by any university. This was a, mostly, volunteer project that wanted to excite children about STEM and space and to educate the young generation. The Prime Minister was invited because it was cool, but it was a private endeavour.

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So is this the first moon wreckage?

Far from it. Both the USA and USSR have crashed multiple landers before successfully touching one down. And that doesn't even count intentional "impactor" missions that came before that.

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#75
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It seems that they just got a new word in the dictionary: https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033... I find it a bit irritating to be that cocky when it comes to space technology. Better luck next time!

Count your blessings. They are the 4th country to reach the Moon (albeit at 1km/s).

A successful landing, followed by rapid unplanned disassembly.

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post #13

It seems that they just got a new word in the dictionary: https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033... I find it a bit irritating to be that cocky when it comes to space technology. Better luck next time!

Count your blessings. They are the 4th country to reach the Moon (albeit at 1km/s).

No, they would have been the 4th country to land on the moon. Both ESA and ISRO have previously conducted (intentional) impact missions.

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you're floating along on a stable orbit not about to impact the surface. Or with more time to recover from the outage before landing. If it happens within the last minute (wild estimation) then you have little time to recover the lost velocity.

But you're still having an engine failure when the engine is far away from anyone that could potentially start mending it.

Not an engine failure, but: "Debugging a program running on a $100M piece of hardware that is 100 million miles away is an interesting experience." http://www.flownet.com/gat/jpl-lisp.html

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post #71

Article subtitle: "The failure of the landing highlighted the risks of a fast and cheap approach to space exploration." I would say the opposite. Not specifically just in reference to this mission but in general. They now have a lot of experience and data to use going forward for "not much" expense. A lot of extremely expensive missions were lost because they didn't have the opportunity to iterate.

The history of rocketry really took off during WW-II, and was further refined by the military (generic, but pretty much the nations that have successfully landed on the moon), further developing and releasing to civilian government, and eventually private interests.

If I were to make a guess extrapolation to air-flight we're probably still roughly in the 1940s. Private space flight is making things more standard and long-run production instead of one-offs; but we aren't there yet and haven't found workhorse designs that are both reliable and cheap. Experiments like this will hopefully help us get there.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree to agree here. It should really be how things can work. We have the opportunity and possibly the unity to get together on a vision for mankind for the first time in history. Obviously there are challenges, but if all people got to vote in their respective democraties for a global push to space - I would be surprised to not see it approved.

> but if all people got to vote in their respective democraties for a global push to space Isn't that anathema to the current isolationist, nationalist bent a lot of the worlds biggest and baddest powers people seem to be adopting?

Who cares? Doesn’t mean it’s not something we should hope for.

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It's time to retire the tired old nation-state space-race narrative. We're all in this together people. Their failure is our failure.

Nothing could be further from the truth. These folks are fierce with nationalistic and sectarian pride in their vehicle.

https://mobile.twitter.com/teamspaceil/status/11163129311033...

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