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Re: V Playground

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Post by amedvednikov »

rujuladanh wrote: post #68
fxfan wrote: post #52

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Please don't lecture people unless you have something to show for it yourself, specially if it is unsolicited. The author is giving away his work for free, he owes nobody anything. He is amazingly humble too. You don't like his claims you are free to not use his product (for free!)

Excuse me? Who are you to tell others what to comment on? HN is a place to discuss projects and articles on good faith with comments as knowledgeable as possible. If you don't like constructive criticism, please leave and take your censoring somewhere else. By the way, it is specially humorous that you ask me to "show something", when we are discussing a project that makes extraordinary claims without backing them at…

There's nothing extraordinary on the website. Everything mentioned there was done before.

Re: V Playground

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Post by rujuladanh »

amedvednikov wrote: post #60
rujuladanh wrote: post #53

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Any non-trivial C++ program typically uses the STL or a similar library, which requires the full expressiveness of C++ to be implemented. So, no, I don't think you have done even a tiny fraction of what C++ entails.

I support STL and even plan to support Boost.

That does not make sense. Either you support both because you can translate most C++, or you don't support any (modulo bugs).

Maybe you are hardcoding detection of a set of known types by hand?

Re: V Playground

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Post by ilovecaching »

rujuladanh wrote: post #33
amedvednikov wrote: post #30

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It will be back, open source, re-written in V: http://gitly.org I started developing Volt/V in the middle of developing gitly. That's my biggest drawback. I finish 90% of the project, and jump to a different thing. I've grown a lot since then, and I'm slowly wrapping up everything.

The last 10% is usually the actual 90%. Claims like C++ translation is definitely one of those 90% things that may look easy to some people until you actually try to do it.

After engaging with the author, I believe that he's just a troll. After seeing a different post of his, I became suspicious and did some googling and read through his content. He basically makes claims without ever releasing any source code, and his compiler appears to be a front end only that emits C or x86 using some sort direct translation. I'm not for sure on this because again, he hasn't released any source code. I am a PL enthusiast and have put a lot into PLT, and I agree that what he seems to have built so far is trivial. I'd be happy to have him show me his source code and prove me wrong.

Also this fxfan account has commented on all of the negative posts about his language, and based on the phrasing of the comments, I have concluded that it is also a troll account.

It is normal for people who are first discovering PLT to get excited building their first compiler. But the author is either having delusions of grandeur and truly doesn't understand the scope of building a production language, or is actively trying to mislead people. Either way, I love seeing people doing cool things in PL, especially from beginners, but not like this. This is unethical.

Re: V Playground

#75

Post by rujuladanh »

amedvednikov wrote: post #71
rujuladanh wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excuse me? Who are you to tell others what to comment on? HN is a place to discuss projects and articles on good faith with comments as knowledgeable as possible. If you don't like constructive criticism, please leave and take your censoring somewhere else. By the way, it is specially humorous that you ask me to "show something", when we are discussing a project that makes extraordinary claims without backing them at…

There's nothing extraordinary on the website. Everything mentioned there was done before.

Do you know of any single person that has written a C++ transpiler into another language from scratch?

Re: V Playground

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Post by rqs »

amedvednikov wrote: post #19
rqs wrote: post #9

But why use `go` keyword for go-style routine? I just realized I maybe have answered my own question but I don't think even Go should use `go` keyword for that. Maybe give it a more technical name?

Maybe :) Suggestions?

Since it's a type of coroutine, maybe `co`? also as in "co-pilot".

I'm not very confident about it :(

Re: V Playground

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Post by fxfan »

ilovecaching wrote: post #64
fxfan wrote: post #56

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It's his website, he can do whatever he wants. You are not a paying customer. Stop being a choosing beggar.

Reading through your comments, I assume you are either a second account or an accomplice in the author's trolling. I don't care about his language. I care about spreading misinformation to people who don't know any better.

YOu're dumb if "second account" is your only defense. Downvote and move on, you're not as smart as you think- people here are pretty knowledgeable.

Re: V Playground

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Post by ilovecaching »

ModernMech wrote: post #47
amedvednikov wrote: post #30

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It will be back, open source, re-written in V: http://gitly.org I started developing Volt/V in the middle of developing gitly. That's my biggest drawback. I finish 90% of the project, and jump to a different thing. I've grown a lot since then, and I'm slowly wrapping up everything.

Glad to hear you are growing, but just so you know you are getting a reputation for over-promising and under-delivering. In the last thread that was over 2 weeks ago, you promised the online playground in 2 days. It wasn't 2 days [1]. In this reddit thread you promised it in 3 hours [2]. It wasn't 3 hours. Look, you don't owe anybody anything, and that's fine. Just don't make promises you can't keep. If you're not go…

I just don't understand what he has to gain from this notoriety. This type of snake oil salesmanship doesn't make much sense to me in open source. Or is he making money from this somehow?

Re: V Playground

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Post by ilovecaching »

ilovecaching wrote: post #78
ModernMech wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad to hear you are growing, but just so you know you are getting a reputation for over-promising and under-delivering. In the last thread that was over 2 weeks ago, you promised the online playground in 2 days. It wasn't 2 days [1]. In this reddit thread you promised it in 3 hours [2]. It wasn't 3 hours. Look, you don't owe anybody anything, and that's fine. Just don't make promises you can't keep. If you're not go…

I just don't understand what he has to gain from this notoriety. This type of snake oil salesmanship doesn't make much sense to me in open source. Or is he making money from this somehow?

Oh I see now, he has a Patreon. Wow, that's incredibly low. I honestly don't know what to say.
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