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‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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The best quote

>As far as justice goes, it’s extremely poetic: a film about guys who believed they were above the law until they got caught by the feds was made by guys who believed they were above the law until they, too, got caught by the feds.

>Art imitating life imitating art.

Inception in real life :-)

Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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Looking at Admissions/Deposits/Fees for the private English boarding school that Low went to (Harrow School), I was surprised at how "affordable" it actually is. /I/ couldn't afford it, but for the level of access you are giving your child to the world of the elite, £30k doesn't seem like its all THAT much money.

I knew someone (from a proper upper-class English background) who went to Harrow, and hated every minute of it. I wouldn't subject my kids to that, even if I had the money

And how is that person doing now?

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically meaningless outside of the legal process, but not morally. I'm fine with people assuming guilt when spitballing in a bar or something, but when it leads to mob justice, then I think it's very much something people should try to keep in mind. Sure, we no longer do actual lynchings, but innocent people's careers and relationships still get destroyed too often. Maybe not that large of a problem on a world sc…

Sure, it’s unjust that innocent people lose everything, but... every single day innocent people lose everything because of the legal system. “Innocent until proven guilty” may be the best we have for a legal standard but it is far from perfect and applying it anywhere outside of the legal system is a mistake regardless of how you feel about innocent people losing their careers through the court of public opinion. Out…

> Outside of the legal system “innocent until proven guilty” is a very common cause of the revictimisation of victims.

Could you elaborate a bit on how that works? I'm not saying you should actively vocalise that you don't believe a victim, just that you shouldn't be piling on to someone or contributing to them losing everything if you don't know whether they're guilty and are otherwise unfamiliar with the victim.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically meaningless outside of the legal process, but not morally. I'm fine with people assuming guilt when spitballing in a bar or something, but when it leads to mob justice, then I think it's very much something people should try to keep in mind. Sure, we no longer do actual lynchings, but innocent people's careers and relationships still get destroyed too often. Maybe not that large of a problem on a world sc…

There is a big difference between "Innocent" and "not guilty", and there is a reason that courts return a "Not Guilty" verdict, and not an "innocent" one. Plenty of cases fall within a hair's width of "beyond a reasonable doubt", and I very much doubt you are going to be inviting most of the people falling in that category over to meet the family, after all they are innocent until proven guilty, and likely all around…

> Legal process fails plenty of times, saying that you are morally obligated to believe in its judgements

I'm not saying you should have blind faith in the legal system, but I am saying that I think it's morally better to withhold judgment until it has run its course. Additionally, if you are otherwise unrelated to a certain case, I would still be inclined to have less trust in your own judgment than in the judgment of people who spent far more time on it than you, unless you have specific reason to believe they're especially likely to have ruled incorrectly other than not trusting the process, such as conflicts of interest.

Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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post #46

But the movie wasn't a scam/fraud. The funding was stolen, the result of fraud. The moviw would have been a fraud if they collect a lot of money for it claiming Leonardo DiCaprio will star and Scorcese will direct, and then that doesn't actually happen bc they blow the money on booze.

That doesn't make for a clickbaitey enough title though.

Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After having watched White Collar I usually say that about most accusations. We have all seen shows where an innocent person looks guilty. We somehow went from innocent until proven guilty to ridiculed and reviled until dead (and even that doesnt end it) regardless of the verdict or the reality.

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard, it is unreasonable and impractical to expect individuals to abide by it in their day to day life. Every day you are constantly making assessments on people based on the information you have, whether that’s in the context of a crime or otherwise. The justice system (in America especially) is not “fair” and does not treat guilt as the phrase “innocent until proven guilt…

Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard...

This is not really accurate (but see below). The notion of burden of proof shows up in debate, public discourse and logic as well as law. An alternative formulation of "innocent until proven guilty" "the one who asserts must prove". It's simply saying, we don't accept claims without proof, because the alternative is often the logical fallacy of argument from ignorance.

Every day you are constantly making assessments on people based on the information you have, whether that’s in the context of a crime or otherwise.

What you're describing here is the standard of proof, not so much the burden of proof. The plaintiff always needs to prove their case. In a criminal case, they must prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, there must be a preponderance of evidence. In our daily life, we should have some reason we believe someone is guilty of something even if it doesn't extend as far as the standards of criminal prosecution. This is still taking on the burden of proof.

Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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post #46

But the movie wasn't a scam/fraud. The funding was stolen, the result of fraud. The moviw would have been a fraud if they collect a lot of money for it claiming Leonardo DiCaprio will star and Scorcese will direct, and then that doesn't actually happen bc they blow the money on booze.

The headline is the fraud here...

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post #65

Some of the writing here came out really petty. Made it difficult to read and take the article seriously. > It seems the socially-awkward Low had a thing for rich, mildly attractive, blonde daughters of famous American families. > [Low would] be photographed with his sweaty, alcohol-flushed face on her shoulder.

Almost as petty as pointing out pettiness!

Re: ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ film was also a real-life scam

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post #24

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That's really weird. Does it have something to do with its UK distribution rights or something? Funny enough, I was able to find the Spanish version of the book on Amazon UK[0], but the English version apparently "will be released on September 12, 2019"[1] for Amazon UK. I guess there exists a tiny niche market here where you can buy "early release" books from "early release" jurisdictions and ship it to "late releas…

The publishers have been facing an injunction from Jho Lo & Co. in the UK and other markets, preventing publication. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/14/bookshops-thre...
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