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Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by papermill »

dopylitty wrote: post #21

It would be wise to not trust any phenomenon which blows up online, given the ease of generating such a phenomenon artificially.

If the interest is artificially generated or fake, it will fade quickly for sure.

But I wouldn't say we shouldn't trust online phenomenon. Online phenomenon is why Obama and Trump got elected. Trump has effectively bypassed the traditional media's stranglehold on the american mind via his use of twitter and social media. And online phenomenon is why we have occasio-cortez.

As the internet gains more mind share, we have to start taking the online space more seriously.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by ams6110 »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

"Run the government like a business" was Ross Perot's mantra. Was quite popular for a while, but didn't work out so well in the end. That's probably more because he sort of went insane during the campaign rather than due to a a reasoned choice the voters made about that philosophy.

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Post by monocasa »

scarmig wrote: post #66

There is no way that Yang is more likely to win the nomination than Warren. And I say that as a Yang fan. So there's a lot of money on the table, but I'm not willing to tie up a couple grand for a year for a website I know pretty much nothing about.

Warren isn't going to win. The party took notice of the DNA test thing, and is specifically trying to field someone who won't be baited into the mud with Trump.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by dsr_ »

omalleyt wrote: post #61
rdiddly wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not so sympathetic to that idea in the first place. A business, particularly a corporation, is one of the most authoritarian structures ever devised. If the government were like a business, every citizen would be either an asset to be exploited or a liability to be eliminated.

Citizens would be the shareholders

Small shareholders (less than 0.01% holdings) have essentially no voice in a corporation's policy; nor are they a consideration for the board of directors. Sometimes they are the beneficiaries of policies that are satisfying major stockholders, but not in a big way.

No, this metaphor does not work.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by juvoni »

skybrian wrote: post #55

Is Andrew Yang a writer? I'd be interested in reading some of what he's written that's longer than a tweet. I did find the weekly campaign updates, which are okay as far as they go.

Well he did publish a book: The War on Normal People: The Truth About America's Disappearing Jobs and Why Universal Basic Income Is Our Future

https://www.amazon.com/War-Normal-People-Disappearing-Univer...

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by raz32dust »

I had been following Yang since a while and have been super pumped up about his ideas and focus on real underlying issues. But with Pete joining the race, I am somewhat torn between these two. Both of them are really smart people. Yang has great ideas and vision, but Pete has real experience running a city and seems to be very likable in general. On the other hand, I am sure conservative media will paint Yang as a socialist which would take away a lot of votes, and Pete being openly gay is also going to take away a lot of conservative voters.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by bkohlmann »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #42
mtgx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bernie/Buttigieg 2020?

For better or worse, it's highly unlikely that the choice for running mate will be a white male.

Unless the nominee is Harris or another woman. Then a white male would be a smart strategic move to play to middle of the country demographics, which cost the dems the 2016 election. Buttieg, as an Indianian, among other characteristics would be a perfect fit.

My hunch is part of his strategy is to make a strong showing in order to be the VP candidate for a non white male nominee.

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Post by erentz »

yumraj wrote: post #3
Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

Also, didn't we just elect another business person and see where we are. Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

> Like it or not, we need politicians who can work across the aisle and actually get things done.

To work with someone across the aisle you have to have someone on the other side of the aisle who wants to work with you. The republicans have made it absolutely clear over the past decade that they will not work with Democrats. Centrist Democrats need work with their colleagues to their left if they want to accomplish anything.

Re: Andrew Yang and Pete Buttigieg Have Blown Up on Twitter, and in Betting Markets

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Post by maxxxxx »

Octoth0rpe wrote: post #2

Re:Yang, I'm vaguely sympathetic to the idea of "elect a business person so they can run government like a business", but any openness to the idea goes out the window when the candidate's business is venture capital.

"elect a business person so they can run government like a business"

This is a terrible idea for a society. Typical businesses are internally dictatorships that are single-minded, intolerant of dissent, very controlling (my employer reads my E-mails and lately they are setting up a ton of cameras) and are designed to funnel rewards to only few people. That's not a good mindset to run a whole country. We can't just lay off people to cut costs.

I think that's why Trump seems to get better along with dictators like Erdogan, Putin or Kim Jong Un than with democratic leaders. their leadership is much closer to what he is used from his business.

Running government more efficiently would be nice but I don't see the ex-business people who got elected into government do better than other politicians.

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Post by dragonwriter »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #42
mtgx wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bernie/Buttigieg 2020?

For better or worse, it's highly unlikely that the choice for running mate will be a white male.

> For better or worse, it's highly unlikely that the choice for running mate will be a white male.

It's maybe unlikely the whole ticket will be, but there's also a good chance that the top of the ticket will be either non-white, non-male, or both.

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