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Why Bother with What Three Words?

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Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

Does it account for geological drifting? This is probably the most important social issue with these kind of systems.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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There is another big problem with W3W that Terence doesn’t mention: it isn’t scalar. From another W3W-criticism blog post ( https://mwfrost.com/space-is-scalar.html ): “An addressing system is successful insofar as it enables us to execute the suite of cognitive tasks that constitute navigation. Associating a destination with its location on the earth is only one of these chores. “If you have a powerful computer in y…

I don't see the relevance of that complaint. People don't memorize their current lat long to 16 sig figs either. You'd still need a gps device or a paper map without w3w.

If, by w3w you mean gps-capable device. Like a phone. Which can give you those digits. And if connected to the internet to query w3w's database, can send your precise location.

There's also the old country directions method - navigate by Landmarks. If your emergency services operator is familiar with the geography of their area, this becomes much easier. If you are similarly familiar, this can be very quick.

"Timmy fell down the well by the old mine on the edge of town! Good girl, Lassie."

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

Contact me: greg at the domain qbix.com We are currently using geohash and curious why it’s worse than this.

Geohash is easily the best system currently out there.

Worse might be a little harsh, but my system:

•Packs slightly more bits into the string (naturally there's a tradeoff with data fidelity) for shorter strings

•Follows a completely logical alphanumeric distribution (Geohash will skip letters, some for good reason, like o and l, and some for not-so-much, like a)

•Some of the other benefits in the original post are also missing.

You could probably do this with other systems, but the goal is to allow everyday people to be able to pack a short string in a tweet and have everybody else know exactly where they mean.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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I don't see the relevance of that complaint. People don't memorize their current lat long to 16 sig figs either. You'd still need a gps device or a paper map without w3w.

With lat/long, you don't need GPS, a paper map is surprisingly effective -- and, in what is the point here, with a paper map (or GPS), you don't need a link to What Three Words' servers. There isn't a good use case for a mnemonic for lat/long that loses the latter's spatial-relationship information.

Above all, the weird thing about W3W has always been that if you have the device to do the lookup, you have the device to exchange and store long and not particularly memorable strings of numbers...

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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The 3 words are because 2 words doesn't give you enough bits of enumerated data. The words aren't to be thought of as X,Y,Z, they're just 3 blobs of bits, where each word represents something like a 0-200,000 range or something.

Huh? Maybe not two short words. But clearly, two numbers can be represented by two words.

Are you talking about existing English words? I'm not sure there are enough longer words for this to be possible, depending on the range of numbers being encoded.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

Does it account for geological drifting? This is probably the most important social issue with these kind of systems.

Not OOTB, but I would imagine that any geocoding system could include a suffix, like "(1987)", to know which dataset to use, so as long as there was a server providing accurate geocoding for a particular point in time.

This is a service-related question, though, not a method-related question. There's no math equation that'll tell you your house is there when it used to be here.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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I don't see the relevance of that complaint. People don't memorize their current lat long to 16 sig figs either. You'd still need a gps device or a paper map without w3w.

I think the point is that ringleader.kilt.comedians and since.duplicated.backswing have no relation at all to each other, and don't communicate to the user their spatial relationship. On the other hand, you could infer that 1234 W Something Rd is nearby 1238 W Something Rd. EDIT: Also, given a set of lat/long coordinates, regardless of the precision, you could infer their spatial relationship as well.

Yea, in LL, 1 second of arc at the equator is about 101 feet or 31 meters which means it's pretty easy to figure out relative coordinates, particularly N/S. Even UTM/MGRS is better in this respect.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

> Half the "namespace" of nearly every coordinate system is biased toward the poles. The distance between 89° N, 10°W, and 89°N, 10°E is 38km, but at 1°N, it's 2226km. My system has a simple and clever way to equally represent the dense equatorial regions and the sparse arctic and antarctic regions, and that equals shorter codes.

The "S2" geometry system (http://s2geometry.io/) is what Google Maps and many other large systems use. It has a small bias towards the poles in terms of some S2 cells being slightly larger than others at the extremes but the bias is pretty minimal.

Another system, Uber's H3 (https://eng.uber.com/h3/), handles this problem in an even better way, although it loses some of the benefits of S2, such as having fine-grained cells no longer exactly fitting into their parent cells. It has other benefits however.

One thing missing from all of these system, including W3W, is that none of them have a height component. If I go to a party in a strange condo and need to call for an ambulance, there is a huge difference between being on the first floor and the fiftieth floor of the same building and W3W does nothing to solve this problem.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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With respect to the word list being non-language-neutral, possibly offensive, etc - there was an old Mnemonic encoding project, the original gone but many other mirrors (e.g. https://powershellexplained.com/2017-03-25-mnemonic-wordlist... ) which is essentially perfect for these kinds of encodings.

It's not a standard, but it should be.

Re: Why Bother with What Three Words?

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W3W suffers horribly from "call for price". You won't catch Google or Amazon making you call and talk to a human being (on GMT time no less) before figuring out if you can afford their service. I'm preparing my own version, truly open source (though with a premium component), with the following improvements over W3W: •Length-optimized. If one character sufficiently describes your location, you don't need to tack on e…

You have to call Google for Analytics pricing when you outgrow the free tier. And no, we could not afford it.
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