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Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by botwriter »

DanBC wrote: post #66
botwriter wrote: post #49

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Is there not a volunteer program people can help with in this situation. I'm a British citizen but looking at spending 2 or 3 months out in Cambodia working on coding projects an exploring a country I've never visited. Unfortunately, I know Cambodia has had problems with child abuse and child sex tourism in the past. Working on something like you've just described seems like a fantastic way to explore a country and a…

You can take photos of every hotel room you visit. These get uploaded to a database usable by law enforcement: https://traffickcam.com/ Europol has a "trace this item" website: https://www.europol.europa.eu/stopchildabuse

Traffickcam is a fantastic idea I'll certainly use that.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by hopler »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #64
justasimpleman wrote: post #63

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How does the effectiveness of tracking down individual cases in this way compare to e.g. improving the eoconomic incentives overall? Commercial child abuse is mostly a result of deprived economic circumstances, in which people see more benefit in selling their children rather than giving them the best future possible, if I'm not mistaken. I don't intend to spoil the enthusiasm here, but wouldn't supporting welfare he…

Economic incentives aren't going to encourage someone to not sell their child for deplorable purposes; if you don't emotionally care for your child, money isn't going to make you care. On the other hand, if you can use a non-profit to pay terrible/uncaring/abusive parents to hand over their children voluntarily (surrendering parental rights) and to get sterilized to prevent the harm of any more children, that is a ca…

projectprevention.org pays serial child neglecters to get birth control

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by justasimpleman »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #64
justasimpleman wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the effectiveness of tracking down individual cases in this way compare to e.g. improving the eoconomic incentives overall? Commercial child abuse is mostly a result of deprived economic circumstances, in which people see more benefit in selling their children rather than giving them the best future possible, if I'm not mistaken. I don't intend to spoil the enthusiasm here, but wouldn't supporting welfare he…

Economic incentives aren't going to encourage someone to not sell their child for deplorable purposes; if you don't emotionally care for your child, money isn't going to make you care. On the other hand, if you can use a non-profit to pay terrible/uncaring/abusive parents to hand over their children voluntarily (surrendering parental rights) and to get sterilized to prevent the harm of any more children, that is a ca…

> Disclaimer: I am a parent, and have fostered neglected children.

And that makes you an expert in criminology?

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo »

justasimpleman wrote: post #74
toomuchtodo wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Economic incentives aren't going to encourage someone to not sell their child for deplorable purposes; if you don't emotionally care for your child, money isn't going to make you care. On the other hand, if you can use a non-profit to pay terrible/uncaring/abusive parents to hand over their children voluntarily (surrendering parental rights) and to get sterilized to prevent the harm of any more children, that is a ca…

> Disclaimer: I am a parent, and have fostered neglected children. And that makes you an expert in criminology?

I don’t proclaim to be an expert, just someone with an opinion and some domain experience.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by bane »

justasimpleman wrote: post #63
bane wrote: post #36

I was able to see a presentation about this topic one time by ICE. It tragic in two senses: 1) The crimes themselves are absolutely intolerable to society. 2) The lack of serious resourcing the seriousness of this crime should warrant. Part of the presentation was specifically on identifying the location a sequence of photos was taken in the hopes that it would narrow down the search radius for the offender. The team…

How does the effectiveness of tracking down individual cases in this way compare to e.g. improving the eoconomic incentives overall? Commercial child abuse is mostly a result of deprived economic circumstances, in which people see more benefit in selling their children rather than giving them the best future possible, if I'm not mistaken. I don't intend to spoil the enthusiasm here, but wouldn't supporting welfare he…

One of the things I learned in the presentation is that economic incentives are not typically the motivation for this kind of evil. The "currency" in the environment appears to very much be fresh photos and videos of kids being sexually abused.

The trade in the material is unfortunately large. The descriptions of how the systems worked reminded me very much of the kinds of upload/download ratio systems you might find on software and movie/music piracy boards.

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Post by justasimpleman »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #75
justasimpleman wrote: post #74

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> Disclaimer: I am a parent, and have fostered neglected children. And that makes you an expert in criminology?

I don’t proclaim to be an expert, just someone with an opinion and some domain experience.

You need to rely on large scale studies to make statements about the population at large.

You can use your small number of data points (anecdotes) to generate hypothses, but you need a lot more data to test these hypotheses.

Re: Tracing child abusers: Where was this picture taken? [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo »

justasimpleman wrote: post #77
toomuchtodo wrote: post #75

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I don’t proclaim to be an expert, just someone with an opinion and some domain experience.

You need to rely on large scale studies to make statements about the population at large. You can use your small number of data points (anecdotes) to generate hypothses, but you need a lot more data to test these hypotheses.

Build the study and I’ll find someone to fund it. No one ever said, “we have too much good data”.

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Post by closeparen »

emilga wrote: post #35
tyingq wrote: post #9

Some of the techniques a group on 4chan used are interesting: https://www.ign.com/boards/threads/remember-when-4chan-users...

Geo-location is a fascinating topic. Here's a Twitter thread where BBC solved a murder in Cameroon: https://twitter.com/bbcafrica/status/1044186344153583616?lan... From a single video of the crime, they were able to figure out where, who, and when (!) the crime was committed. (Using Google maps.) And here's Jeffrey Lewis presenting how they figured out "Where does North Korea Build Its Missile Launchers?" (1h video):…

The Jeffrey Lewis talk was incredible, thank you for sharing.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

anotheryou wrote: post #48
pavel_lishin wrote: post #46

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They also have a habit of mis-identifying people and hounding them down.

well this material seems luckily carefully selected and without I persons visible. A found place is also pretty easy to verify.

Sure. But I think Pizzagate has shown us that there's enough weirdos out there who'll show up to a place demanding answers.

And don't forget, people are strongly died to locations. If Reddit decides that a particular photo is located at 287 FM 772, that's someone's house, and a name can easily be associated with it. Nobody wants to receive a Google alert that their name is suddenly popping up in /r/find-a-pedophile

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