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Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by conductr »

throwawaysea wrote: post #54
john_moscow wrote: post #39

I am genuinely curious, how does the year-over-year growth of 60% come together with the pretty consistent "death curve" according to Google Trends [0]. Could they have deliberately lowered the revenue in 2017 through some clever accounting in order to come up with this number? As they have been around since ~2012, are there any prior financial metrics publicly available? [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?…

Thanks for linking the Trend data. I was trying to figure out a way to express this myself. Colloquially, I feel like Pinterest used to be mentioned in conversations 5+ years ago with some frequency. For example, I would have someone mention some recipe they saw there or see links to Pinterest shared on other social networks. But in the past few years, I don't know if anyone in my circles has actually mentioned it at…

If it’s US data, then your experience is my experience and it makes total sense. The trends represents search of “Pinterest” which was word of mouth driven. This was a very word of mouth driven app. Ladies in my life educated their friends, then their mothers, then their aunts, etc. They explained what it was and what “boards” are. But, it’s reached a saturation point now where everyone knows what it is.

The conversation turned to wife-> her mom “did you see my nursery board? I pinned some inspo” and no explanation is needed she already had the app installed and didn’t need to go google “Pinterest”.

Also, the women in my life love it for inspiration that definitely drives purchasing behavior. I can’t speak to whether Pinterest is monetizing that opportunity to its fullest but I certainly feel like it’s established itself as a place to research a future purchase which we all know is a valuable position to be in. I use my wife’s account occasionally to look up ideas for a home renovation or landscaping ideas. It helps. But I feel they’ve made some poor UX choices bordering on dark patterns. And with that, they are probably their own biggest risk. Eventually they will do something to totally alienate and piss off their user base.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by holy_city »

leokennis wrote: post #55
austenallred wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, very. That's boilerplate.

Maybe for a CEO I’d understand but being a regular employee and knowing that you could be out of a job and pay at any time, for any arbitrary reason or no reason at all, without being able to do anything about it seems like such a shaky foundation to build your life on...

That's pretty standard for the United States. On the flipside, it means the employer isn't required to keep employing you no matter what. Most unions will negotiate it (this is why Police go on paid suspensions instead of being fired, it's part of their CBA), but the vast majority of us aren't members of a union. Furthermore if you're terminated without cause, you're eligible for unemployment.

In practice companies don't fire people left and right, and people don't live in constant fear of being terminated if they're providing value to their employer, or their employer isn't toxic.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by holy_city »

walshemj wrote: post #59
obeattie wrote: post #49

"We currently depend on the continued services and performance of our key personnel, including Benjamin Silbermann and others. Mr. Silbermann’s employment, and the employment of our other key personnel, is at will, which means they may resign or be terminated for any reason at any time." Genuine question: is it normal for the CEO of a company in the US to have no notice period?

And no non compete? CEO's are one of the few employees where a non compete could be enforceable.

non-competes are illegal in California.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by huac »

opportune wrote: post #57

Does pinterest count impressions from google images as active/distinct user? Wouldn't surprise me if they did that atrocious image search seo to juice up the MAU numbers. I probably live in a bubble but nobody I know uses pinterest.

"We review the number of monthly active users (“MAUs”), which we define as a logged-in Pinterest user who visits our website or opens our mobile application at least once during the 30-day period ending on the date of measurement [...]"

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Post by usmannk »

opportune wrote: post #57

Does pinterest count impressions from google images as active/distinct user? Wouldn't surprise me if they did that atrocious image search seo to juice up the MAU numbers. I probably live in a bubble but nobody I know uses pinterest.

> We define a monthly active user as a logged-in Pinterest user who visits our website or opens our mobile application at least once during the 30-day period ending on the date of measurement.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by usmannk »

huac wrote: post #74
opportune wrote: post #57

Does pinterest count impressions from google images as active/distinct user? Wouldn't surprise me if they did that atrocious image search seo to juice up the MAU numbers. I probably live in a bubble but nobody I know uses pinterest.

"We review the number of monthly active users (“MAUs”), which we define as a logged-in Pinterest user who visits our website or opens our mobile application at least once during the 30-day period ending on the date of measurement [...]"

hah, jynx

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by goldenchrome »

conductr wrote: post #71
throwawaysea wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for linking the Trend data. I was trying to figure out a way to express this myself. Colloquially, I feel like Pinterest used to be mentioned in conversations 5+ years ago with some frequency. For example, I would have someone mention some recipe they saw there or see links to Pinterest shared on other social networks. But in the past few years, I don't know if anyone in my circles has actually mentioned it at…

If it’s US data, then your experience is my experience and it makes total sense. The trends represents search of “Pinterest” which was word of mouth driven. This was a very word of mouth driven app. Ladies in my life educated their friends, then their mothers, then their aunts, etc. They explained what it was and what “boards” are. But, it’s reached a saturation point now where everyone knows what it is. The conversa…

What about this then? https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=p...

It maps closely to Instagram's steady rise, and Snapchat's slow demise.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by airstrike »

sharkweek wrote: post #64
dsl wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A universal truth in the social network space. In all of advertising. Non-US users remain extremely hard to monetize across the board.

ELI5 - are there any prevailing theories as to why this is?

From my Latin American perspective, I'd say it's due to way less disposable income in emerging markets and less of a consumerism mindset.

America has the benefit of decades of intense consumerist propaganda to fend off the evil reds, while the biggest emerging markets are often very vocally against "Capitalism" (even if they would all love to own iPhones)

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Post by seanwilson »

OldFatCactus wrote: post #31

I hate what Pinterest does to google image searching. Sometimes I really just want to paste an image src in an online discussion without having to drill into devtools.

How does it manage to rank so well? I'm not a user of it but whenever it appears in searches it feels like endless popups and walled content that tries to make you sign up. I would have thought Google would discourage links like this.

Re: Pinterest S-1

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Post by tuckermi »

john_moscow wrote: post #39

I am genuinely curious, how does the year-over-year growth of 60% come together with the pretty consistent "death curve" according to Google Trends [0]. Could they have deliberately lowered the revenue in 2017 through some clever accounting in order to come up with this number? As they have been around since ~2012, are there any prior financial metrics publicly available? [0] https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?…

The story looks different (albeit short of YoY +60%) if you look at Trends for Image Search: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all_2008&geo=U...
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