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The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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I founded the mailing list the book was based on. These days I say, Unix went from being the worst operating system available, to being the best operating system available, without getting appreciably better. (which may not be entirely accurate, but don't flame me). And still miss my Lisp Machine. It's not that Unix is really that bad, it's that it has a certain model of computer use which has crowded out the more am…

the meek (=cowards=euniques=unix) shall inherit the earth

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

#72
post #30

This is a tongue in cheek but also piece of shit MIT propaganda piece mostly written by the clowns who created the abortions that were Multics and LISPMs. Like as if every software engineer should start their next project by warming up their soldering irons to add obscure new features to their CPU's! I know because I attended that school and worked with the fathers of Multics. The sad fact is that MIT produces extrem…

> This is a tongue in cheek but also piece of shit MIT propaganda piece mostly written by the clowns who created the abortions that were Multics and LISPMs. Sure--the people who wrote systems with opposing philosophies to the "unix philosophy" are going to be the ones who write this book. And that they failed-in-the-market ("abortions") is already evident by the fact that HN is probably majority unix (mac) or unix-li…

LISPms, Multics, Symbolics machines all run instances of software that depended upon custom instructions, tailored precisely for the languages which they executed, and could not be ported to any other machine.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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This is a tongue in cheek but also piece of shit MIT propaganda piece mostly written by the clowns who created the abortions that were Multics and LISPMs. Like as if every software engineer should start their next project by warming up their soldering irons to add obscure new features to their CPU's! I know because I attended that school and worked with the fathers of Multics. The sad fact is that MIT produces extrem…

I'll assume you're talking about systemd here? How is linux being strangled? How is it Europe's fault? As far as I can see linux is booming and almost ubiquitous as far as backend OS's go...

No this is not a rant about systemd. The idea behind UNIX was a small set of lego building blocks that could be plugged together to construct something way larger than the parts themselves. The idea in Linux is that once you become an open source contributor more software is always better and more features is always better and hey why doesn't everyone build a monolith with 150 subcommands, which does not interoperate with any other software, and this describes most of the software built for Linux in the past 10 years.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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post #6

This is one of my favorite books, and I own the hard-copy. As I was reading it, I found that a lot of the problems mentioned seem to be affecting Windows and macOS, while Linux based distros have them resolved. I found the commentary and history both hilarious and informative. The anti-forward by Dennis Ritchie is also very funny. If anyone has found similar CS style humor books, please let me know!

I enjoyed "How not to program in C++". It's a collection of find-the-bug puzzles, and has hilarious war stories at the bottom of every other page.

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Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's this relevant joke about Linux which is that Linux is very user friendly... it's just very picky about who its friends are.

At least its not user-hostile, e.g. it doesnt spy on its users.

It's a joke comment, on a joke thread, about a joke book. I wholeheartedly agree, but lighten up.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is a tongue in cheek but also piece of shit MIT propaganda piece mostly written by the clowns who created the abortions that were Multics and LISPMs. Sure--the people who wrote systems with opposing philosophies to the "unix philosophy" are going to be the ones who write this book. And that they failed-in-the-market ("abortions") is already evident by the fact that HN is probably majority unix (mac) or unix-li…

LISPms, Multics, Symbolics machines all run instances of software that depended upon custom instructions, tailored precisely for the languages which they executed, and could not be ported to any other machine.

Given that you're so opposed to custom instructions, I'm sure you also abstain from using x86, ARM, etc. which all now include custom in silico instructions for decoding, crypto, etc.

Keep fighting the good fight, comrade.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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I always have a very conflicted feeling about the Unix-Haters Handbook. It's clearly intended to make legitimate criticisms, but then there is a kind of tongue-in-cheek exagerrated part to it, but then behind that there's clearly a lot of very real bitterness and barely controlled anger.

I think it's a good book and worth reading still, if not especially, in the modern world where to many people Unix and its family are the hot "alternative" that is often favourably compared against Windows and its ilk.

But I also think that Ritchie's "anti-preface" was already quite on-the-nose when the book came out and has only become more true over time.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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post #38

I founded the mailing list the book was based on. These days I say, Unix went from being the worst operating system available, to being the best operating system available, without getting appreciably better. (which may not be entirely accurate, but don't flame me). And still miss my Lisp Machine. It's not that Unix is really that bad, it's that it has a certain model of computer use which has crowded out the more am…

Do you have any suggested reading to learn more about the more ambitious visions from the 70s and 80s, and why they didn't pan out?

Probably likely with the WWW and the very complex competing version.

Too complex and takes too long to deliver.In the end, the winner takes it all.

Re: The Unix-Haters Handbook (1994) [pdf]

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I read this when it came out, and it's only improved over the years. At the time we were just graduated and it felt otherworldly and futuristic, especially considering we had been taught to use VAXen and used 680x0 Macs...
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