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Huawei Sues U.S. as a ‘Last Resort’ Over What It Calls an Unfair Ban

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Post by sctb »

entity345 wrote: post #30
geezerjay wrote: post #24

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> You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. Is there any difference, really, specially if said company is a corporate arm of China's military?

Nortel once had a CEO that was a former US Navy Admiral. Was Nortel a corporate arm of the US military? Edit: I flagged your comment because it's fake news and because you downvote anyone who do not agree.

We've already asked you to please stop breaking the guidelines and it's not happening so we've banned the account.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by jessaustin »

maze-le wrote: post #57
gsich wrote: post #43

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Same applies for other countries, nobody seems to care there. With companies like Cisco you don't even need that, seeing that they have a backdoor released every other week.

That just wrong. I know plenty people, that work on small-scale IT-infrastructure projects for municipal- and city-level administration. Cisco has become a liability as far as network equipment is considered.

just wrong

Near as I can tell, you agree that Cisco is a hazard, in precisely the way that Huawei is accused of being but is not. Are you really just disagreeing with the proposition that nobody cares about Cisco's problems?

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Post by jessaustin »

zaphirplane wrote: post #40
atoav wrote: post #28

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Actual evidence of backdoors would be a start. There is a long list of state security enforced backdoors in american products. The list for Huawei is short. The US typically assumes the tactics itself uses must be used by anybody else. If you want us to choose between the Chinese and the Five Eyes spying on us, providing actual evidence for Chinese spying would be worth a lot for the side that has at least traces of…

Wow such a strong voice for a foreign (to you) company, or is it - shifty eye look Your position is weird, you need evidence that the Chinese are spying on you ? And you don’t think they do ? Ha too funny You want proof that the Chinese communist party will never order them to insert a back door. ROTFL You really are preparing your social credit score when the over lords arrive

GP is perfectly rational, without donning the "USA always right number one" goggles you seem to have had permanently attached. Why would any private individual in USA be more concerned about Chinese surveillance than about the surveillance of NSAFBIDEADOJ, who after all can lock any of us up and throw away the key?

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Post by maze-le »

jessaustin wrote: post #72
maze-le wrote: post #57

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That just wrong. I know plenty people, that work on small-scale IT-infrastructure projects for municipal- and city-level administration. Cisco has become a liability as far as network equipment is considered.

just wrong Near as I can tell, you agree that Cisco is a hazard, in precisely the way that Huawei is accused of being but is not. Are you really just disagreeing with the proposition that nobody cares about Cisco's problems?

>> Are you really just disagreeing with the proposition that nobody cares about Cisco's problems?

Yes, thats what I am disagreeing with... Nothing more nothing less. No word of Huawei, since they are considered a liability by default and I don't know people that work with telephony/cell-network infrastructure.

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Post by jewelry_wolf »

ratling wrote: post #70
thetechlead wrote: post #21

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You are confusing Chinese companies with Chinese government. In most areas, whatever restrictions/laws on foreign businesses, are also put on Chinese companies (private). Most foreign companies lost Chinese market due to fierce competition from local counterparts, not any imaginable barrier. Back in 2000s, Chinese government even gave green light when Huawei tried to sell [ref] itself to Motorola, but only been turne…

They are the same thing. You don’t do business in China without playing ball with the state.

Don't you think that Huawei couldn't do business in US because it couldn't play the ball with the US government? LOL

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Post by jewelry_wolf »

ovi256 wrote: post #34
dirtyid wrote: post #7

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IMO Huawei's just seeking to rehabilitate their image, if the US refuses to publicly release evidence that contradicts the preponderance of sources that couldn't find back doors, then the entire US campaign against Huawei can be dismissed as a smear campaign. It's going to make US look dirty/petty and allows Huawei/China to save face. Huawei shares source code with GCHQ and US have already hacked into Huawei internal…

>have already hacked into Huawei internal emails and found nothing That means nothing, even if today the Chinese intelligence services take absolutely no interest in penetrating Huawei - which is laughable - that can change. If five years from now Huawei 5G equipment is used to build your countries 5G network, the Chinese gov uses their equivalent of a NSL and it's game over. Even if today's Huawei is clean. That's t…

This threat model could apply to any Chinese companies or even any company outside US. Does that mean US could only use US-manufactured equipment? Does that mean the end of free market? Isn't the law system an evident based system? Is it enough to have such belief that it could go wrong to block competition?

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Post by ratling »

jewelry_wolf wrote: post #75
ratling wrote: post #70

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They are the same thing. You don’t do business in China without playing ball with the state.

Don't you think that Huawei couldn't do business in US because it couldn't play the ball with the US government? LOL

Change their entire business model and act as a trojan horse for the US government? No that won't fly in the US (yes I'm aware of NSLs, there's a significant difference in degrees).

In China that's standard procedure. Party says you switch up everything you're doing for their whims you do it.

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Post by sdinsn »

rakoo wrote: post #12
TaylorGood wrote: post #5

Is it me or has Huawei only appeared in media the last few months? All my years of reading HN, etc. and no recollection until recent controvery. Feels like they’ve managed to stir many waters in record time. For a company founded in 1987, what gave?

Huawei, and the Chinese industry in general is at the forefront of 5G coming soon, and the West is mad that China can be more advanced than them and scared that all the equipment we use for deploying 5G is from them and, consequently, full of (not backdoors) spying capabilities. As someone whose country isn't part of five eyes, the hypocrisy makes me quietly laugh. (Edit: updated for less gratuitous accusations)

What a ridiculous comment

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Post by zaphirplane »

atoav wrote: post #46
zaphirplane wrote: post #32

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The issue isn’t current back doors as you are trying to shift the conversation towards, it is about future Chinese government ordered back doors. I mean you’d have to be in a special dumb category to insert back doors today with all the coverage

If you are outside the Five Eyes, you are left with the choice between US products (with a documented history of spying also on democratic nations) and Chinese products, which potentially in the future could also be host for government backdoors. This means the choice is only about who gets your trade secrets, with a bit more favour for huawei because they didn’t do it yet. It is so easy from an US perspective to say…

That is a very good point, except the US will not steal you IP and give it to Microsoft or some wind energy company. 2nd you can always take the US government to court, you can always take a US company to court and you will get a hearing without corruption without government directives

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Post by zaphirplane »

atoav wrote: post #53
ovi256 wrote: post #36

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>Actual evidence of backdoors There doesn't have to be a backdoor today. In the future, whenever they desire, the Chinese gov can ask Huawei for access and they will comply. That's the threat model.

Yeah, but if you have the choice between a product with an existing history of backdoors and one which potentially, at some point in the future based on political prediction could have one, how do you choose? Let’s assume you are not in the US and industrial spionage will be bad for you independend if it happens from China or from the US. The answer isn’t that clearcut. Also: banning a product based on the possibilit…

You are kidding You want to use equipment from a country that is known to steal IP. Hang on you want other people to use equipment under control of the communist party Now I get it. Your social credit score has increased
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