Standard working hours in China are 9-9 six days per week.
And that country is known for terrible working conditions.
Let's very deliberately not do what China is doing.
The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
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Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#72Standard working hours in China are 9-9 six days per week.
And that country is known for terrible working conditions. Let's very deliberately not do what China is doing.
They work that long to win. Do you want to win? Or do you want to lose? Business is fundamentally a competition.
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if during the interviewing process they're very clear that they are a startup that isn't a normal job and the trade off is equity and a great cheque in 2-5 years?
Very clear would be "maybe a great cheque in 2-5yrs but it could be we'll fail and you'll lose your job and get nothing", wouldn't it? Apparently in USA ~50% survive year 5 of businesses. I see similar numbers for UK. eg https://www.researchgate.net/post/Most_Start-up_Businesses_F... for USA
Yes! And one way (not the only way) to increase your chances of survival is by working harder than normal to get to a product/revenue point where you can make it. Again, all I'm asking is if the startup is very clear about expectations going into the role is that ok? We have very low unemployment right now so it's not like skilled technology workers don't have a lot of choices. Is there any way to ethically create a startup in today's age and expect people will work more than government mandated hours?
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I was 22 I would gladly have doubled down for the money. Over a decade later... not so much. People forget that there are others not like them. There are plenty of companies that set deadlines and expect you to meet them, even if that means working the weekends when you’re behind. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, lots of people love the money and/or don’t have families. No one is forcing you to work…
That argument would justify unlimited abusive behavior from employers. No time for bathroom breaks? Locked exit doors during working hours? [1] "There are plenty of companies with conditions like those, and obviously a lot of people love the money. No one is forcing you to work there, so leave them alone." 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fi...
I find it fascinating that your reference is from 1911... because there clearly haven’t been any laws enacted since then that would protect workers.
The only potentially relevant statement you made (bathroom breaks at Amazon warehouses) is the uncited one. Also coincidentally illegal in every US state I’ve ever been employed in...
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#75Seen a lot of comments trying justify it, so check this which is where the pic comes from: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/revolut-trade-unions-labour-...
They were using hiring process for free unpaid work to reach those sweet KPIs... much worse.
Each applicant was expected to bring 200 new paying customers to go to the next phase. Any problem yet?
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#76Never ceases to amaze me how friggin lazy and entitled are the British when it comes to being told they need to work long hours. It’s a high growth startup. They are vesting you with stock. Hell yes you need to come in on weekends, bruv.
Do you think I'm a walking charity? That's what an employment contract is for. If you want me to work on weekends, put that in the contract. I can then negotiate an appropriate wage. If it's not in the contract, get lost. Alternatively propose a new contract so we can re-negotiate my compensation. If we negotiated for 160 hours of my time / month, then that's what you're getting. And if you can't wrap your head aroun…
I employ 105 people in five countries. 30 in the UK. Feel free to renegotiate your contract when asked to work long hours whilst I contact my recruiter to replace you.
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#77Now the question is: what are the good alternatives to revolut?
Starling or Monzo
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
That argument would justify unlimited abusive behavior from employers. No time for bathroom breaks? Locked exit doors during working hours? [1] "There are plenty of companies with conditions like those, and obviously a lot of people love the money. No one is forcing you to work there, so leave them alone." 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fi...
I find it fascinating that your reference is from 1911... because there clearly haven’t been any laws enacted since then that would protect workers. The only potentially relevant statement you made (bathroom breaks at Amazon warehouses) is the uncited one. Also coincidentally illegal in every US state I’ve ever been employed in...
The example shows that the same words could have defended those unconscionable conditions from 1911, which were also legal at the time.
Can you come up with a reason workers shouldn't fight back against RevolutApp's demands that wouldn't also apply to the horrible conditions in 1911?
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honestly, I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but I really think you're absolutely right. Some people really like working in that environment. Personally, it's not for me, but at least the CEO is upfront about what he expects. Really, he's being a good leader in that respect. I wouldn't want to work for him, but he's clear about what he wants which a lot of people in management miss. EDIT Let me explain why this…
When I was 22 I would gladly have doubled down for the money. Over a decade later... not so much. People forget that there are others not like them. There are plenty of companies that set deadlines and expect you to meet them, even if that means working the weekends when you’re behind. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, lots of people love the money and/or don’t have families. No one is forcing you to work…
When I got divorced, the only thing that kept me going was my job. It allowed me to push everything else out and focus. I welcomed it. and I volunteered to work extra, because it was less painful. I wouldn't do it now, but that lifestyle is for some people. I learned very quickly not to judge anyone for their life decisions.
Re: The CEO of RevolutApp on Slack: “Why Aren’t You Working on Weekends?”
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
And that country is known for terrible working conditions. Let's very deliberately not do what China is doing.
They work that long to win . Do you want to win? Or do you want to lose? Business is fundamentally a competition.
The only thing the Chinese working class is winning at is subsidizing the west's lavish lifestyle with their cheap and exploitative labor.
Some winning that is.
If that's what winning looks like, don't sign me up.