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Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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> it's a given bike riders should be licensed and plated No, it's not a given. I've never heard anyone want that before

Pretty common position here in australia.

Maybe for bogans ranting on talk back radio but its absolutely not a common position for regular people otherwise it would have become the law.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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> I doubt this will reach the same level of popularity in cities/countries with great public transit, highly walkable streets, I hope you are right. The littering / parking isn't the biggest problem or nuisance. It's the fact that the riders of these "e-scooters" almost always ride on the sidewalks / footpaths and cause safety hazard to pedestrians. Forget the fact that it's illegal[1] in most states to ride a motori…

> It's the fact that the riders of these "e-scooters" almost always ride on the sidewalks / footpaths and cause safety hazard to pedestrians. It's more dangerous to ride them on streets, even on bike paths. Who cares if it's illegal? I'd rather ride on the sidewalk then get hit by a car trying to pass me at 45 mph.

But I'd rather you get hit by a car than run into me while I'm walking along minding my own business.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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I (also?) think these disruptive transport plays are a bit grubby, and probably predating public transport shared costs and the commons. Here in brisbane, they basically became scofflaw over "riding without helmet" and "riding on pavement" to force the issue. Why the state authorities caved instead of taking them to the cleaners is beyond me. We've already started to have drunks on scooters, elderly people feeling ex…

And which other thing will you de prioritise or will you increase taxes

I would definitely increase taxes. I'm not small government minded, and I am not anti tax. AFAIK its by far the best way to get public utility functions done. The exceptions are out there: Japan Rail is a good example of an efficient non-public utility running, with no subsidy. So I don't claim its the only model, but its the one I like best. Most of the "but its my money" arguments come from people with disposable income, or who are in denial about how much the depend on centrally managed spend (again, IMNSHO)

In my own economy, attempts to avoid public support for transport have marginalized investment, and meant service is very expensive, and not well suited to local communities. A number of things like Uber have wrecked the taxi industry, and Lime appears to be squeezing a rental-bike model funded out of Bus Shelter advertizing. This doesn't make me happy.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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I don’t know and I can’t explain it. If you mention a train to an American they will start talking about how far it is from Miami to Seattle as if that matters and despite the fact that Ohio is more densely populated than Spain. If you bring up walking someone will ask how you can walk home from the grocery store, apparently unaware of the fact that 95% of people bring home their food by foot. If you talk about bikin…

> I don’t know and I can’t explain it. I see, so you just said something that sounded edgy and cool to you that's backed up by no reasoning. Generally HN has higher quality discourse than this.

Although I disagree with GP's original phrasing, the parent comment: > If you mention a train to an American they will start talking about how far it is from Miami to Seattle as if that matters and despite the fact that Ohio is more densely populated than Spain. If you bring up walking someone will ask how you can walk home from the grocery store, apparently unaware of the fact that 95% of people bring home their food by foot. If you talk about biking Americans will wonder about rain and snow, as if nobody bikes in Netherlands and Finland. It’s a strange, willful ignorance that allows Americans to look around and say “what this town needs is a hyperloop.”

...describes a very real experience they had at least anecdotal experience with, which I too can relate to (getting those responses to those suggestions from Americans). I have some hypotheses for these, but honestly they have also been beaten to death by transit advocates elsewhere.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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It might just be me, but I'm having a hard time following your post due to these terms: > scofflaw > taking to the cleaners > juicers I normally would just go look it up, but this is a high density of jargon/colloquialisms. Or maybe it's not and I just never heard them, but I'm just offering my data point here.

I think you were just a little unlucky and hit a post with a few words and phrases you don't know. Scofflaw is a pretty old word, and being a combination of scoff and law many people could work out its meaning. Take someone to the cleaners is a fairly common idiom. Juicers seems to be slang related to the people who charge up the scooters, but again, juice + er is a pattern many people can pick up on.

> Juicers seems to be slang related to the people who charge up the scooters, but again, juice + er is a pattern many people can pick up on.

It probably is. Saying something is "out of juice" to mean "out of power" has a fairly long history. It's a pretty straightforward to extend that slang to someone who restores power to things by recharging them.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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It's very hard for a cyclist to hit and run Actually, in most SF bike-pedestrian collisions resulting in pedestrian injury, the cyclist flees. Example: https://patch.com/california/san-francisco/pedestrians-hospi...

You say in most cases but then link to a single case. You can find a single case of anything on the internet. Doesn't make it meaningful.

I should have written most reported, since there can be any number of unreported cases. But the fact stands; you can check with SFPD and SFMTA. I could post 3 more examples, but you'd just claim that there are more that don't flee but somehow evade SFPD documentation.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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Well it's a given bike riders should be licensed and plated. It's insane that in many places bike riders using the public roads don't require 3rd party insurance.

For what purpose other than locking kids and poor people out of the world and worsening traffic and health issues. If 2 cyclists crash in to each other they will cause minimal property damage and any medical costs should be covered by the government. There are so many other situations where people can accidentally cause property damage that don't require insurance. Its just the cars have a very high risk of causing h…

> any medical costs should be covered by the government

Why? If I get sick, I need to go bankrupt if I don't have an insurance, but if I run a stop sign on a bicycle, government should pay for medical bill?

This would make more sense in countries that have universal healthcare. USA isn't one of those.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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post #61

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> It's the fact that the riders of these "e-scooters" almost always ride on the sidewalks / footpaths and cause safety hazard to pedestrians. It's more dangerous to ride them on streets, even on bike paths. Who cares if it's illegal? I'd rather ride on the sidewalk then get hit by a car trying to pass me at 45 mph.

> Who cares if it's illegal? The pedestrians that are endangered by relatively high speed motorized vehicles riding on sidewalks care. It's totally reasonable for you to not want to ride a scooter on the street, but that doesn't entitle you to break the law and make sidewalks less safe for others.

And what entitles drivers to make the streets very unsafe for everyone?

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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Sometimes with progress, you gotta break a few legs.

Sometimes with progress, you gotta break a few legs. Where “progress” is synonymous with “profit” and the things being broken aren’t yours. Having said that if you’re volunteering, I know a guy with a hammer.

I'm just making an observation of the facts, not positing a moral good or bad to progress.

Re: Bird CEO on scooter startup copycats, unit economics, safety and seasonality

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post #6

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I (also?) think these disruptive transport plays are a bit grubby, and probably predating public transport shared costs and the commons. Here in brisbane, they basically became scofflaw over "riding without helmet" and "riding on pavement" to force the issue. Why the state authorities caved instead of taking them to the cleaners is beyond me. We've already started to have drunks on scooters, elderly people feeling ex…

It might just be me, but I'm having a hard time following your post due to these terms: > scofflaw > taking to the cleaners > juicers I normally would just go look it up, but this is a high density of jargon/colloquialisms. Or maybe it's not and I just never heard them, but I'm just offering my data point here.

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