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The rise of alternative milks

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Re: The rise of alternative milks

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I have lactose intolerance, I am allergic to tree nuts, have an intolerance to legumes, and have yet to find a certified gluten-free coconut milk. Let me know.

Rice milk could qualify.

As a grain product it’s important for it to be lab tested or certified gluten free to under 5 ppm. Rice is one of the least accidentally contaminated at the sourcing, along with corn, but it also depends on later processing.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

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I ate a lot of milk and cheese my entire life. Once I stopped, it was shocking how the aroma of dairy changed for me. Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense.

> Now it smells like old fingernails and skin, which makes perfect sense. Doesn't make 'perfect sense' to me. Maybe poetic sense if you're coming from a certain point of view.

If I’m not mistaken, the composition and origin are fairly similar. Milk is something that is excreted from a reproductive gland on a stock animal.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

#73

Using “milk” in the name of something doesn’t make an “alternative milk” in any way that doesn’t apply to any other drinkable liquid.

It’s pure marketing, where the reality would be “juice” if we’re being charitable. In a lot of cases it’s water with a hint of X, and a lot of added sugar. All told drinking a lot of anything other than water is probably a bad move, but evidence suggests that if you’re not lactose intolerant, milk is a healthier choice for what you put on cereal. All things being equal, my major issue with alternative “milk” isn’t th…

If you're concerned about agricultural use of water in California, I would suggest a bigger concern is alfalfa, a low-value, water-intensive crop, most of which gets shipped to China. We are almost literally selling water to China. Almonds, at least, are a high-value crop, meaning that if we found a way to circumvent or invalidate the 19th-century water rights and raise the price of water to farmers, almond growers could pay the higher rates but crops like alfalfa would probably be rendered uneconomic.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s pure marketing, where the reality would be “juice” if we’re being charitable. In a lot of cases it’s water with a hint of X, and a lot of added sugar. All told drinking a lot of anything other than water is probably a bad move, but evidence suggests that if you’re not lactose intolerant, milk is a healthier choice for what you put on cereal. All things being equal, my major issue with alternative “milk” isn’t th…

If you're concerned about agricultural use of water in California, I would suggest a bigger concern is alfalfa, a low-value, water-intensive crop, most of which gets shipped to China. We are almost literally selling water to China. Almonds, at least, are a high-value crop, meaning that if we found a way to circumvent or invalidate the 19th-century water rights and raise the price of water to farmers, almond growers c…

High value, low value, the Western U.S. can’t support either. The profitability of the situation isn’t really a factor, it’s the consumption. I’d also argue that people have far more control over what they buy for ‘milk’ than they do over exports to China. Having said that, it’s very much a problem solving itself, with eventual depopulation.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

#75
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I've made cashew milk and oat milk at home and they're naturally colored as they are on store shelves. Also, you can look at the ingredients list to verify that they are not colored. I don't recall the last time I saw or purchased one that was artificially colored. EDIT: Removed the first sentence as recommended.

> Please don't lie Please don't accuse people you don't know and second guess their motives in a conversation with them. > I've made cashew milk and oat milk at home and they're naturally colored as they are on store shelves Which is neither here nor there. I didn't say all are colored white: I used the term "usually". Second, even naturally white "alternative milks" have artificial coloring added for when they hit t…

> Second, even naturally white "alternative milks" have artificial coloring added

Could you give some examples of this? I'm not that familiar with the different brands, but I've tried quite a few, and at least in the US I don't think that any of them I've tried add artificial coloring, and I don't think I've noticed packaging touting this as an advantage. Maybe this is a regional difference?

Here's an example of what I think the ingredients usually look like: https://silk.com/products/original-soymilk (click on ingredients)

And here's a breakdown of the standard ingredients in almond milk that doesn't mention artificial coloring: https://spoonuniversity.com/lifestyle/a-breakdown-of-every-s...

Re: The rise of alternative milks

#76

I put away about three gallons of milk a week. I just drink a lot of it (and obviously lactose intolerance isn't a problem). I can't ever stomach these. My wife, on the other hand, budgets her lactose intake, prefers lactose-free milk (which I find unpleasantly sweet), and will readily drink almond and soy milks which I can't stand. But I'm firmly ready to believe that I'm the dinosaur here.

> "...almond and soy milks which I can't stand. But I'm firmly ready to believe that I'm the dinosaur here."

why do you need to? it's understandable that others want alternatives for whatever reason, but there's no shame in liking cow milk. it's delicious.

sometimes the next new thing really is better (to you), but worrying about what's fashionable becomes a tiresome treadmill.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

#77

Using “milk” in the name of something doesn’t make an “alternative milk” in any way that doesn’t apply to any other drinkable liquid.

It’s pure marketing, where the reality would be “juice” if we’re being charitable. In a lot of cases it’s water with a hint of X, and a lot of added sugar. All told drinking a lot of anything other than water is probably a bad move, but evidence suggests that if you’re not lactose intolerant, milk is a healthier choice for what you put on cereal. All things being equal, my major issue with alternative “milk” isn’t th…

In my experience they are not that high in sugar. Oatly doesn't add sugar and has about 2g/100ml or 3g/100ml. I looked up a cheap brand with more sugar than almond(2%) and they also had a very similar sugar level of under 3g/100ml. Every one has an unsweetened version on the same shelf as well. This is less than that of milk(without getting into the different kinds of sugar).

In comparison, soda is 11g/100ml, juice is 9g/100ml, iced tea is 8g/100ml.

Perhaps it is different in the US.

I am amazed though, when I see people buying "skinny oat(or whatever) milk". Pretty sure you can achieve the same at home by mixing regular oat milk and some filtered/softened water.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

#78

I have lactose intolerance, I am allergic to tree nuts, have an intolerance to legumes, and have yet to find a certified gluten-free coconut milk. Let me know.

Lactose-free dairy milk is probably your best bet. Lactaid is the main brand in the US, but in recent years it seems most of the major dairy brands have a lactose-free SKU.

Re: The rise of alternative milks

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I've completely switched to soy milk. It tastes a little different to cow milk but after a few cups of tea over a week I didn't notice anymore. Now cow milk tastes strange to me. Soy milk also lasts around a year unopened so you can save time buying it in bulk as a plus. People need to stop expecting replacements to taste 100% identical to what they're use to and give their tastebuds some time to adapt. Same with mea…

Soy just tastes weird in hot drinks for me - though I switched to almond for cereals to reduce my milk intake to see if it would help my eczema

Re: The rise of alternative milks

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Milk may not be the healthy food it was touted to be, but neither are most if not all of these "milks" that are basically mostly water and sugar. I'd take lactose over fructose or glucose any day. That's the main selling point: a slightly sweet, natural drink sweetened by lactose rather than fructose and glucose directly. Otherwise, I might as well drink soda--from looking at the sugar content of most of these "milks" it's roughly as healthy.
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