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How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Note that the numbers given in the article are total compensation (including stock), not just salary.

Good point. Is this the committed total comp, or total comp stuck in vesting period during which stock luckily appreciated?

Total comp at current valuations. I think all of those companies have 1 year cliff, then monthly vesting

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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To put this in bay area perspective, that $300K per year gets broken down as: 42% Tax bracket. Net $180K per year $6K per month in rent/mortgage. Net $108K $3K per month in living expenses. $72K $1K student loans (maybe). Net $60K $1K in insurance (health / renters / home). Net $48K $1K disposable income. Net $36K $8K vacation. Net $28K ( or about $2.3K per month for savings) Not bad. But you can see how bay area cos…

This math is remotely not accurate. 42% tax rate ? Tax rates are progressive. I made a whole lot more last year and my effective Federal + State was 28%. Remember, there are a ton of deductions available. $6k in rent ?? Who pays that ? I have a large house and my mortgage payment is close to 4.5k. And I am building massive equity on my home as well as paying down an expensive asset. Home insurance is $1k for the whol…

you get hit by AMT. Or at least it used to be the case, before Trump changes - didn't do my taxes this year yet. 30% Federal + 15% state, and when you try to do deductions, you hit AMT.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Every time something like this is posted a, likely very good, engineer who does not live in the Valley post about how overpaid these engineers are.

Compensation is heavily dependent on market rates. It's far more difficult to hire a strong senior engineer in the valley than it is in most other cities in the US. Even companies in fairly remote areas can hire a remote developer or pay a SF engineer to relocate for less than what most Valley engineers make.

It's not about what you can actually do... It's about what you can do compared to the other available people around you.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the numbers given in the article are total compensation (including stock), not just salary.

Good point. Is this the committed total comp, or total comp stuck in vesting period during which stock luckily appreciated?

The yearly TC numbers take the initial RSU grant (that vests over a 4 year period, usually with a 1-year cliff followed by monthly vesting) and divide it by 4 to get the "initial RSU grant options vesting per year".

Typically you never want anyone (that you want to keep) to be fully vested, so it's expected that you'll get new grants to top up after a couple years if you're doing OK.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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I don't know if this really qualifies as TL;DR, but they seem to have captured the high-level points: https://www.freshworks.com/freshsales-crm/sdr-sales-developm...

Interesting that their suggestion "People often get tired of hearing their own name. Switch tracks and use your name instead." is at odds a bit with Dale Carnegie's "Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language."

My name is for getting my attention. Once you have my attention, I enjoy hearing it exactly as much as I enjoy an ongoing fire alarm.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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I recently finished reading the book Never Split the Difference and I would highly recommend it. It's a slightly different take on the traditional negotiation tropes we've all heard. I've managed to employ many of the techniques in my day to day as a PM with success, but his discussions on salary negotiation resonated with me. I'm sure you can find some notes on the book to derive 50% of the value, but the author's s…

I recently finished Never Split The Difference too. It was a good read and provides a different perspective on the whole negotiation process. I couldn't help but think however, that the various techniques outlined in the book were nothing more than parlor tricks. Seems like the more these techniques are known, the less useful they become.

Am I wrong? Now that I know how it 'works' I can pick out Ackerman bargaining tactics from a mile away so it's basically a moving target. I feel truly great negotiating tactics are an artform. To succeed you need creativity and flair that can't be duplicated mechanically.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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What are people's experiences around having requiters you submit a competing offer for them to negotiate against it? I've had recruiters tell me they need to see a copy of an offer letter in order to match against it. I assume this is to minimize people lying about competing offers to squeeze a few extra percentage points out of their offer and to give the recruiter maximum negotiation leverage. What response do you…

They absolutely refused to move without a copy of the competing offer. I kept pushing but finally gave up and sent them a screenshot of the offer. They called me within 30 mins offering a 40% increase over their "best and final offer".

This was at a top 5 tech company.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if this really qualifies as TL;DR, but they seem to have captured the high-level points: https://www.freshworks.com/freshsales-crm/sdr-sales-developm...

Interesting that their suggestion "People often get tired of hearing their own name. Switch tracks and use your name instead." is at odds a bit with Dale Carnegie's "Remember that a person's name is to that person the sweetest and most important sound in any language."

While I still think Carnegie's book is a must read, I feel like it can be summed up by: "empathy, have some."

But his ethos is applied and over applied so much that some times it's a breath of fresh air when a sales person just cut to the chase. Especially in this day and age in most cases, the user probably have had a couple weeks to try and thoroughly read the manual on your product. The sales calls are basically a formality. Beating around the push just wastes everyone's time. Just my 2c.

Re: How I negotiated a software-engineering job offer in Silicon Valley

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This math is remotely not accurate. 42% tax rate ? Tax rates are progressive. I made a whole lot more last year and my effective Federal + State was 28%. Remember, there are a ton of deductions available. $6k in rent ?? Who pays that ? I have a large house and my mortgage payment is close to 4.5k. And I am building massive equity on my home as well as paying down an expensive asset. Home insurance is $1k for the whol…

Enter $300K into https://smartasset.com/taxes/income-taxes Take home pay for CA is $185K

I entered "married" in the same calculator and it gives me a 29.75% effective rate and 210k take home. If your math above is for a single person, I haven't met anyone who is paying more than $2500 in rent. $6k for a single person is way out of range.
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