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If he had incorporated, absolutely. From the context of his blog, it seems he didn't.
I'm pretty sure you don't need to incorporate to take deductions on self-employment expenses. Self-employed income isn't just a free ride to a kick in the balls - if you're paying that extra 15%, you get to take expenses as deductions. If it's low-level income that is just covering expenses, you're not going to owe the IRS a dime.
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#72Re: According to the IRS you are a private contractor employed by Google
#73The income tax system, and the principle of taxing income, is wrong in so many ways, but I have given up arguing the point. The inertia of the system and the inertia of individuals is too great to overcome. I've identified these major contributing factors: 1) Vested interests that like the tax system the way it is. 2) Envy and fear of envy. People who think the income tax takes from the rich, and people who happily p…
As a nation, we've decided that we like things like infrastructure should be paid in part by the federal government. We've also decided we want to have a military that spans the globe, able to support regular operations as well as two wars with presences in over 50 countries costing over 600 billion dollars, not even counting the extra war supplemental or military retirement benefits. The fundamental fact is that the…
1) Everyone's earned income below about $105K has an additional 12.1% tax called Social Security. Half of that is disguised as the employer contribution, but it still has an impact on the economic activity available to poorer people in terms of wages offered, and even the number of jobs offered. Social Security benefits are paid from the general fund, and Social Security taxes are paid into the general fund. This is a regressive tax. The only distinction is the benefits you eventually draw are somewhat determined by your contributions.
2)The truly rich (I'm not talking about couples in expensive metropolitan areas earning $250K) have the luxury of great discretion in regards to when, how, and even IF they take income.
...and we haven't even talked about the underground economy, which by definition does not pay income tax.
...and let us not forget all the tax cheats, the greatest of whom got a Presidential pardon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
Re: According to the IRS you are a private contractor employed by Google
#74Re: According to the IRS you are a private contractor employed by Google
#75I'm always amazed, when the-tax-system-sucks posts come up on HN, how quickly most commenters are to trash the author and/or lecture the complainer on how wrong they are. There is a impedance mismatch at work in our system of governance that's not going away any time soon. The government makes laws by sticking people into little boxes and making rules for those boxes. This system of boxes and rules -- the tax code --…
It isn't quantum mechanics. The rules which the OP professes not to understand boil down to this:
1) Everyone owes income taxes and Social Security/unemployment ("FICA") taxes on all of their income. To restate this in a fun but cartoony way: everyone is a "business". [1] No philosophical debate necessary.
1a) Except: If you get a W2 form along with some of your income, that income already had the FICA taxes paid on it (and, if the estimate is accurate, most of the income taxes, too). This feature is designed (among other things) to make the accounting so easy for most people that, if they are minimally numerate and are willing to actually read the IRS instructions, they can pay taxes with a one-page form without hiring an accountant.
1b) If you can't understand what I have said so far, hire an accountant.
2) If you earn more than a few hundred bucks without getting a W2 form for it, you owe FICA taxes. If you can't or won't figure out what Schedule C is, hire an accountant. [2]
3) Business expenses are deductible. If your non-W2 money is going right back out the door to pay business expenses, you may owe nothing. Keep track of those expenses (throw the receipts in a box, buy everything on a special credit card, hire a part-time bookkeeper, or -- god help us -- learn how to keep an account book). Then declare them; if you can't figure out the forms, hire an accountant.
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Still too abstract for you? Here's rule zero:
0) Hire an accountant. Do what the accountant tells you.
One hour of accountant time, at any point over the last few years, would have been enough to save the OP.
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Now we are in a position to discuss your other point: Why do people often get so harsh when folks propose to "simplify" the tax code?
Let's not ignore the elephant in the room: Mostly, it's because so few of these proposals are in good faith. Most of the tax-related writing that crosses one's field of vision is the direct or indirect result of politically-motivated lobbying efforts by individuals who are trying to lower their own taxes relative to others. We try to block these for the same reason that we block spam.
But another reason is that many people want to pretend that accounting isn't important. They ask: Why does there need to be so much accounting? Why can't life be simple? These are very likely the same people who don't understand the need for so much computer programming. Shouldn't computers just be simpler? Can't we just write it all in Visual Basic? Can't it all be done by kids on minimum wage? Can't we just hand it all over to Microsoft and let them handle it? Why can't we just outsource all that stuff to some foreign country? Why can't computers program themselves? Shouldn't it all just "work"? Weren't things so much better back before we had all these terribly complicated things like the personal computer?
It gets tiresome. Society is complicated. Deal with that. Learn basic accounting, or hire someone who did.
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[1] Note: I am not an accountant and you should hire a real one. You can detect the real ones by the moan of despair that they just made when they read my last sentence.
[2] I can, but I won't. Accountants are not expensive relative to my time. In fact, they have an astonishing tendency to pay for themselves.
Re: According to the IRS you are a private contractor employed by Google
#76I'm always amazed, when the-tax-system-sucks posts come up on HN, how quickly most commenters are to trash the author and/or lecture the complainer on how wrong they are. There is a impedance mismatch at work in our system of governance that's not going away any time soon. The government makes laws by sticking people into little boxes and making rules for those boxes. This system of boxes and rules -- the tax code --…
We have this word "business" which has some kind of vague meaning, so we attach a bunch of rules to the abstraction... It isn't quantum mechanics. The rules which the OP professes not to understand boil down to this: 1) Everyone owes income taxes and Social Security/unemployment ("FICA") taxes on all of their income. To restate this in a fun but cartoony way: everyone is a "business". [1] No philosophical debate nece…
Actually, this isn't true; the Social Security portion of FICA (which is most of it) is only paid on the first $106k of your gross income (in 2010). Additionally, the word "income" in your sentence reveals some very complex questions about the differences between gross revenue, gross income, modified adjusted gross income, etc. The "income" against which you pay taxes can vary greatly from the actual cash coming into your bank account, thanks to a variety of deductions and credits. I own real estate that produces positive cashflow but I take a "loss" on it every year according to the IRS, offsetting some of my other income.
Your best advice here is to hire an accountant :)
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There was a guy who got caught selling a lot of marijuana and didn't get in much trouble because he was paying taxes on it since day 1.
That sounds hilarious, source?
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#78I'm always amazed, when the-tax-system-sucks posts come up on HN, how quickly most commenters are to trash the author and/or lecture the complainer on how wrong they are. There is a impedance mismatch at work in our system of governance that's not going away any time soon. The government makes laws by sticking people into little boxes and making rules for those boxes. This system of boxes and rules -- the tax code --…
We have this word "business" which has some kind of vague meaning, so we attach a bunch of rules to the abstraction... It isn't quantum mechanics. The rules which the OP professes not to understand boil down to this: 1) Everyone owes income taxes and Social Security/unemployment ("FICA") taxes on all of their income. To restate this in a fun but cartoony way: everyone is a "business". [1] No philosophical debate nece…
I had been declaring that ad revenue as "extra income" and dutifully paying my taxes on it. Suddenly last year the IRS informed me I owed them scads of money that I didn't have. Still, it's nice to know the IRS has time and resources to squeeze both me AND the guys who brought down Wall Street. Oh, wait, those guys are still swilling Chivas in their gated burbclaves.
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Come on, your post is stupid on it's face. If a high quality of living is enabled by technology and innovation, said technology and innovation is enabled by stuff the government does -- a huge quantity of technology has it's roots in US government spending, and education is one of the 3 big things that states spend money on. Further, you conflate taxation laws and laws that prohibit things, eg "trading with each othe…
And you know where the U.S gets those gobs of cash to throw at building new technology? The markets of course! Governments need a marketplace, the marketplace doesn't need the government. The internet is largely unregulated, but we use creative solutions to overcome barriers, and this should be a model for other industries as well. A market solution is always better than a government solution, because with the first…
This is also stupid on its face. The market needs the government if only to ensure that bad actors don't corrupt it.
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That sounds hilarious, source?
I don't know about the not getting prosecuted bit, but drug taxes are real -- see eg http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1578857,00.ht... http://marijuanastamps.com/state-stamps.htm Mostly, it's another way for pigs to steal from people. The idea being they can not only throw you in prison for dealing, but then use tax forfeiture laws to take everything you own.