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The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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There is an insidious aspect with respect to Tech Workers. You don't need to be a whistle-blower to have a toll on your life/career. Talk too much shit about a company in Silicon Valley and you're fucked, regardless of the merits of your claims against them. #TeflonUnicorn

Any data to back up that claim?

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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I assume whomever downvoted You has forgotten what happened to Aaron Schwartz.

He's probably being down-voted for saying erroneous things like > The high conviction rate is a result of extremely high maximum sentences. People who are 100% innocent often plead guilty after being threatened with a 30-year prison sentence that would be only 1 or 2 years under local law. That's erroneous because very few federal defendants actually face such long sentences, so those that do so pleading guilty is no…

When you say "he was looking at maybe 6 or 7 years if things went as favorably as possible for prosecutors"

Do you know this for a fact?

Because the way I understand it is, he was facing multiple decades in prison IF all charges stuck. And once you got to trial, all charges can stick. It has happened. So he was facing 35 years. So saying he wasn't is just wrong.

Your 6-7 years is 'probably'.

I think what your saying is: The federal government doesn't threaten you with 35 years, they threaten you with 10x3.5 years, and since it is possible that not all 10 will stick... it's not really a 35 year threat?

I mean, if I threaten to punch you 10 times but I might stop at 1,2,3 or any number and I probably won't get to 10, but we can negotiate before I start, is it not a 10 punch threat?

To me it seems like you are splitting hairs in order to defend the indefensible. The practice of tacking on as many charges to get people to plea bargain is unethical and fascist.

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is totally incorrect. The high conviction rate is a result of extremely high maximum sentences. People who are 100% innocent often plead guilty after being threatened with a 30-year prison sentence that would be only 1 or 2 years under local law. Many federal crimes are unconstitutional and deliberately vague, like "lying (not volunteering incriminating evidence) to an investigator" and "mail fraud" which is jus…

I assume whomever downvoted You has forgotten what happened to Aaron Schwartz.

Or Wen Ho Lee - charged with 59 counts of espionage (stealing nuclear secrets). Eventually was convicted/plead to one count of mishandling data and went on to get a $1mil settlement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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Ive noticed this too alot lately and I've actually started to question if our ideals are really moral. I think we have a very serious conversation ahead of us as a culture. Are we the bad guys?

We've avoided that conversation for two hundred years, why is it ahead of us now? If anything, blind patriotism makes it easier to ignore.

Every single time I mention something good about any country other than the US to my relatives they get SUPER angry and shout "Then why the F* don't you move there".

It is so confusing to me. Not saying I love the US but if someone did... shouldn't they want to improve it?

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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For me there is a related issue that is just as problematic or worse. There are certain things that are critical of the US government that are simply not allowed to be spoken in most US centric places. The public effectively censors itself. I could mention some specific things but that would trigger it and then no one would see my comment. In general you can get away with mentioning things from the distant past but n…

Ive noticed this too alot lately and I've actually started to question if our ideals are really moral. I think we have a very serious conversation ahead of us as a culture. Are we the bad guys?

Well that's interesting but its a little bit different from what I am talking about because I personally don't question most of the supposed American ideals (at least as I see them). Really I'm talking about actions rather than ideals.

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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>One interviewee, in response to a question about what advice he would give a potential whistle-blower, wrote, “[Can they] afford 5 years of their life in turmoil?” Another said, “Part of your ability to do anything about this is keeping yourself together,” and suggested that whistle-blowers find someone “like a minister or a shrink who’s confidentiality-protected,” because “this could go on for a while.” A high prop…

But I wonder: if there was a way to reduce the duration of the cases, would that reduce the impact on whistleblowers? I remember reading somewhere recently about the standard M.O for federal cases. They take a long time in order to build an extremely solid case. That's why federal conviction rates are so high. Intuitively it makes sense. If you're gonna go after some naughty people for doing naughty things, you reall…

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> But I wonder: if there was a way to reduce the duration of the cases, would that reduce the impact on whistleblowers?

Re: The Personal Toll of Whistle-Blowing

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This reads like an advertisement for the FBI. A bigger story is how Obama removed protections and actively attacked whistle blowers after promising the most transparent government ever. That had true toll.

Big Poo thinks the bigger story is really how bad our privatized health care system is. Big Poo thinks we should move to a medicare for all system. So we can be on par with every single other industrialized nation in the world.
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