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Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by groovybits »

zbruhnke wrote: post #49

I really wish DDG would build a Google Apps competitor ... as long as gmail dominates email and business email the privacy argument is largely irrelevant because people will spend hours per day logged in and locked in to the Google ecosystem

> I really wish DDG would build a Google Apps competitor

That sounds like it violates the nature in which DDG wishes to brand itself. It seems DDG does not want to be the next centralized data platform (this kills their brand of privacy). The one product they already provide - search - is often times not better than Google results. They rather let you choose which search provider you want to use with their bangs system.

> as long as gmail dominates email and business email the privacy argument is largely irrelevant

I know Gsuite exists, but I have personally seen more instances of Office 365 than Gsuite for business in the wild. Not that Microsoft is any more privacy-friendly... just saying that I don't believe Google dominates business email.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by spurgu »

lukeqsee wrote: post #10

If any of you are looking for a company (that is not Apple) that provides map tiles while respecting your customer's privacy, my company (link in profile) does not keep logs beyond debugging necessity and has plans to further improve our privacy profile. We also can make provision for proxy servers in the interest of privacy, if that is helpful for your use case. (We currently use Analytics on our homepage, but have…

Replace it with what if I may ask?

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by mythz »

njarboe wrote: post #63
master-litty wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can send people to the moon but we can barely get dark mode right :)

We can't currently send people to the moon, unfortunately. SpaceX is working on creating that capability in the next decade or so though and with there track record it might even happen.

Yeah the last person we sent to the moon was in 1972, so long ago that Eugene Cernan has since died at 82 years old.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by spurgu »

josteink wrote: post #62
zbruhnke wrote: post #49

I really wish DDG would build a Google Apps competitor ... as long as gmail dominates email and business email the privacy argument is largely irrelevant because people will spend hours per day logged in and locked in to the Google ecosystem

I don’t use Gmail. FastMail works nicely for me, with no google-login required. Don’t see why DDG (a search engine) should run an email-service, nor vica-verse really.

If you want to control all the world's data...

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by est31 »

mythz wrote: post #73
njarboe wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can't currently send people to the moon, unfortunately. SpaceX is working on creating that capability in the next decade or so though and with there track record it might even happen.

Yeah the last person we sent to the moon was in 1972, so long ago that Eugene Cernan has since died at 82 years old.

Is there an updated version of this xkcd somewhere? https://xkcd.com/893/

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by lukeqsee »

spurgu wrote: post #72
lukeqsee wrote: post #10

If any of you are looking for a company (that is not Apple) that provides map tiles while respecting your customer's privacy, my company (link in profile) does not keep logs beyond debugging necessity and has plans to further improve our privacy profile. We also can make provision for proxy servers in the interest of privacy, if that is helpful for your use case. (We currently use Analytics on our homepage, but have…

Replace it with what if I may ask?

Hey spurgu, that's yet to be decided. :)

We're investigating some of the self-hosted options or our own log-based metrics (think ElasticSearch + Kibana). We're trying to avoid third-parties, if at all possible.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by beezischillin »

baxtr wrote: post #17
soperj wrote: post #3

Not in the US - so realize that not everyone experiences this - but I've never had a mapping software be so terrible as Apple maps, led me completely out of the way and over a toll bridge that I didn't need to go over. Trip was over an hour longer than it needed to be. I'll definitely still be using !maps to get google maps on duckduckgo.

I live in Europe and only use Apple Maps. It is good enough. Sometimes POI are missing, that’s when I use Google Maps (Browser only)

It's such an inconsistent experience for me, in my home region, Transylvania, Google Maps is vastly superior even tho I'd prefer Apple. But I found that -- weirdly enough -- at least while vacationing in the UK, Google seems to show a lot less information on the map on the same zoom level, to a point where I need to zoom in to a level where I feel I can't see a large enough area at once. An example of this is the Brighton Marina, trying to look up the POIs there is frustrating on Google Maps while at the same time it's usable on Apple's offering.

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by lukeqsee »

mattlondon wrote: post #38
grsmto wrote: post #8

I wish they were explaining why they moved away from Mapbox and OSM in general!

+1 I dont see why this was needed - it is a regression in terms of usability and performance (loading performance - cant comment on quality of the maps just yet, but I understand from others that the map data is woeful). Really disappointed. I used to recommend DDG to everyone, but this feels like a sell-out - without any justification for why they've done it, my mind just leaps to conclusions about marketing and try…

I strongly suspect this was not a sell-out. I suspect it was more a move to save a good deal of money. Mapbox is very expensive at DDG-scale, and given how lean and efficient they like to run things, I can easily understand this choice. The fact that Apple also cares (loudly) about privacy makes it even easier.

(I don't work for Apple and I run a competitor to Mapbox.)

Re: DuckDuckGo will use Apple Maps

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Post by kevin_b_er »

mattlondon wrote: post #39
mtmail wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Separate discussion from last week, most argue against it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18816748

+1 - acquisition by a FAANG would be a instant turn-off for someone like me. I value its independence.

Not to mention it would probably be a literal turn-off. Apple would redesign it to require their OS and HW in order to search with, to correspond with Apple lock-in philosophies. Your ability to use it would be turned off.
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